Democrats threaten to kneecap Jewish nonprofits
Why is it, exactly, that so many Jews are Democrats? That’s right. Because Democrats are the champions of liberal, social causes. They’re against tyranny and all for liberty, freedom, and especially, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
But heaven help you if you go against what the Democrats want. Like, say, having Sarah Palin appear in the same venue as Hillary Clinton, even if it’s to protest Jew-hater Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Because then, forget about your freedoms of association, speech, and assembly.
Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats.
[...] Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate.
[...] The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, “it could jeopardize their tax exempt status” if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.
So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.
Got that? Not only would Clinton not appear, but if the groups did not disinvite Palin, Democrats threatened their tax-exempt status. Why? Because they’d sic the IRS on them by calling it a political event. Who was threatened? Well, basically, every major Jewish group in America.
The thing that I hate the most about this? It won’t stop my liberal Jewish friends from voting Democrat in any way. It won’t even make them think twice about the tactics used by the Democrats. And it’s far, far worse than Soccer Dad wrote about the other day. CBS didn’t have the story about Jewish organizations having their tax-exempt status revoked for having Palin speak at the rally.
That’s not a political party pressuring groups to do something. That’s outright break-your-kneecap, Mafia-style blackmail threats.
In fact, those are precisely the kinds of tactics that the Jewish groups will be protesting on Monday. We just never expected them from the Democrats.
Update: Soccerdad has more on the Obama advisor that’s knee-deep in the disinvitation campaign.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am
I hate to admit it, even to myself, but many Jews are in love with abortion. They don’t consider it as one possible choice–and probably a sad choice–but as a positive good. Everyone should have one.
Palin is a living reproach to this attitude.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Jew, Blacks, Women, Children…it’s like the Stockholm Syndrome.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am
How could you not expect that from democrats?! Or rather, from leftist liberals who have been running the democrats for years? It’s how they do business. Welcome to the real world, where leftist liberals will control everything according to their ideas of how much freedom- if any- they will allow the rest of us to have.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Assuming the story is true, there was no excuse for such cowardice. The threat was preposterous. Both sides were offered an opportunity to appear and speak. One side backed out.
I suspect that the “threat” worked not because it was credible, but because it suited the political predilections of so many leaders of these organizations–pro Democrat.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I guess “Never again” is just a fund-raising slogan.
Good to know.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Most Jews in the US are descendant of those Jews that were allowed into the US by FDR, during World War II. So they see FDR and his party as the great saviors, and that attitude persists to the third and fourth generation, even though the party has become something very very different from FDR’s party.
And yes, I know FDR denied entry to much larger quantities of Jews. But they aren’t living in the US. Either they died unable to escape the Nazis or their children are living in other countries. Either way, their opinions don’t factor into US opinion polls.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Jews need to wake up. This is no longer your father’s Democratic Party. It’s fun to stick one’s tongue out at Republicans for being Christian and nasty warmongers, but guess which party’s core believes that Israel is the real problem? Guess which party wants to concede ground to Islamo-fascism? Guess which party will stand by while whichever Muslim knucklehead drops a dirty bomb in Tel Aviv?
If Israel falls, Jews everywhere will be in danger, and not from Christians. When the hammer falls, Jews in the US will be in danger as well, and the MoveOn and Daily Kossacks won’t help. The Jews among them will be forced to choose between being a kapo or a victim. Don’t kid yourselves, foolish Jews. Anyone who thinks it’s more important for Hillary Clinton to appear at a rally against Ahmadimjihadi than an actual candidate for Vice President of the US is no friend of Jews. Wake up.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Truth in advertising ought to require them to rename the party. My recommendation is “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei”.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Taranto pointed to the comments at this post to suggest that this will probably backfire on the Democrats.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
The Democrats are making it clear how they rank threats to our way of life.
1: Sarah Palin
2: Homocidal maniacs that support terrorists, threaten our allies, and work against our military in Iraq.
The Democratic party is morally bankrupt.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am
>We just never expected them from the Democrats.
You didn’t?
Have you been watching the O!bots in action lately?
;-)
September 20th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I’m a Jewish guy living in the south. Almost all my relatives and most of my friends have left the Democratic Party far behind. Not that we’re all solidly conservative, either. I know a number of Jewish guys that are hardcore for Bob Barr, even though they know he doesn’t have any chance to win.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:53 am
The difference between the Jew who votes Democrat and those who vote Republican is that the Republican says “Never Again.” The Democrat Jew says “well…maybe just one more time.”
September 20th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Okay folks… this is war.
The MSM lack of coverage, investigations and outright bias has gone on long enough. We’ve joked about it and blogged about it for months and years on end. Most of us have sent off some emails to the networks, offending individuals and relevant advertisers.. all to no effect.
Here’s the problem. We’ve been playing by the rules while the other side has been doing everything possible to get around the rules and play their own, unencumbered game. This is the Red Coats vs. Guerrilla Warfare and we’ve been the Red Coats. While we march in a disciplined, orderly fashion according to the standard rules of civilized warfare, the other side is hiding in bushes ambushing us.
It’s time to change the battle plan.
Make no mistake- Obama is inciting riots on his side. He’s been using every dirty Chitown trick in the book and he’s just getting warmed up.
Here’s the first step, use his own tactics against him- if there is an Obama rally in your vicinity, GO AND GET IN HIS FACE. This group did it to great effect and The One lost control and began to melt down.
Folks, we were taught by Gandhi, MLK and the Dali Lama what the power of organized and insistent peaceful resistance and peaceful civil disobedience can be. We’ve got to take these proven methods PEACEFULLY, FORCEFULLY and CONSISTENTLY into every hall Obama shows up at, every live broadcast we can find and to every organization that is propping up this naked emperor.
Honor the our Country, our Forefathers and the Founders of this Land. Honor John McCain and the others like him who fought, were tortured and often died to protect our inalienable rights.
America is under assault again, but this time it’s from someone who we’ve up until now treated as one of our own. Well, he has show consistently that he has no desire to honor and protect the greatness of this country- he wants a new world order that will honor his own narcissistic greatness.
I leave you with the words of and request of on of the greatest men to every serve our country:
September 20th, 2008 at 11:58 am
This is just more of Obama’s “in your face” politicking. It really IS about The One’s ambition before anything else.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
You know what they say, Jews live like Episcopalians yet vote like Puerto Ricans. Folks most Jews don’t give a damn it is sad to say. But I do think McCain is going to get the highest % of Jewish votes since Reagan in 1980.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
In NYC - the Dems and the Jews have a strong relationship due to a lot of deals going back and forth in the background that most non-Jews are not aware of - they get special treatment via the city gov’t as to security, housing, special money grants if they support Bloomberg’s handpicked candidates. They were able to get many Russian Jews into Brooklyn with free housing, food stamps etc. Lots of shady stuff. Maybe that is why they succumbed to the pressure - if you are on the take so much, you dont want that spigot to turn off. Just wait till the Arab population in NY gets wealthier and more numerous - let’s see if the Dems throw the Jews under the bus.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
These aren’t the Jews that I know. Let’s not use too broad a brush.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Fred, it isn’t Jews pressuring Jews to disinvite Palin.
It’s Democrats.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
The rally planners clearly wanted to provide a platform for the Republican Party. The whole idea was to give Sarah Palin a national platform by setting up a video contest with Hillary Clinton
It was clever media manipulation, but Clinton and the Democrats shortstopped it. They rally planners had wanted to become the equivalent of a 527 group, but a tax-exempt one. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and they thought they’d be able to spring a trap on Clinton through the use of deceit.
It didn’t work. Say what you will about Hillary Clinton, but she didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday. The chess match continues. It is unseemly to whine after you lose a game.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
As far as I’m concerned I’m getting a little bored with the whole idea of protesting the dipstick from Iran and had sort of looked forward to a little spice being added by the participation of Gov Palin and even Hillary.
Now it’s nothing but another meaningless Political protest taking advantage of other people’s heartfelt committments…. that should be kept as far away from the UN as the Riot Police can manage. Nobody in the UN gives a tinker’s damn what “Ah’m a bad jihad” says and stands for, or what the protestors think about it. Let them go to Israel to support Israel and stop trying to get the US to do it for them.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
As a Jew, I’m ashamed of the way Governor Palin was treated. As to why most Jews vote for Democrats, it’s either stupidity, masochism, or another mental disease that I haven’t yet heard about.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
The following statement is from Morton A. Klein, national president of the Zionist Organization of America.
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/09/zoa-admits-democrats-forced-un-inviting.html
“Under tremendous pressure from Jewish Democrats and liberal Jewish groups, Palin’s invitation was withdrawn with a decision made not to include any politicians. Why are we excluding political leaders who have the real power to act on this critical issue? The ZOA believes this was a serious mistake.
[snip]
This wrong-headed action of cancelling the appearance of major political leaders hurt Israel and the United States. Ahmadinejad must be delighted that those who oppose his policies are so divided they can’t even stand on the same stage to condemn him.
[snip]
The Israel Project has removed its support for the Rally which disinvited Palin. The only rally in NY they are participating in is the one on the 25th
September 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
A few weeks ago Joe Biden threw Israel under a Bus saying they will just have to deal with Iran being a Nuclear Nation. Can you spell Holocaust?>
September 20th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Once again, alas, the Jewish community behaves like the battered spouse of the Left.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Hillary is a hostile wimp.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
IRS? Why not, the Democrats have become the “any weapon at hand” party.
While I can understand Hillary may have had good reasons not to attend. Biden had no such reason not to show a united front against Iran. As it is, we have just shown weakness as a nation that will surely invite more aggressive action on Iran’s part.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
You Jews just don’t get it, to the Republican it was not about your Jewish problems, it was about confronting Hillary Clinton, with Sarsh Palin. The Republican where just going to use you, Jew’s as a stepping stone. Look like they did.
Dan Davis
September 20th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
So, what are we to think when the Democrats use the black churches across this country as rallying points and campaign stops?
Is it racist to threaten the churches with loss of their tax exempt status unless McCain or Palin is also invited to speak at every Obama/Biden church rally?
Beware Obama, what goes around, comes around.
September 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I went back and forth on this, mainly because I don’t like the, “if she’s coming, I’m not” approach of the Democrats.
On the other hand, Palin is a bit of a lightweight and many people, myself included, view her as a fundamentally unserious person about foreign affairs.
My opinion of her may change if she exposes herself to the national press or after she is on the national scene for a few years.
That she is “McCain’s choice”, simply is not enough reason to take her seriously. Biden and Clinton reflect this. Had they invited Condi Rice, I suspect Biden and Clinton would have participated.
September 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Obama will make sure and do nothing, because he is just a loud mouth who has done nothing. It is sad the Jews don’t realize who their friends really are. It is not men like Obama, he had another mentor who was a communist. Yes a communist, also Fahrakan a jew hater, and the great Mr. Wright. The jews better find a way to build up there military might because they will be on there own against the Iranians. The US economy will stop us from any more handouts..JON
September 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Wow, Now I understand how a vowed democrat like me has turned to a voed republican. It’s called SURVIVAl.
I will be dead not following the Sharia
Laws.
September 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I am perpetually confused, and have been for many years, as to why the Jewish population continues to support the party of “dependence on gov’t is good,” and worse yet, the party that continually panders to those countries that wish to at the least, do harm to Israel, and at the worst, destroy their homeland.
Your comments have been excellent and insiteful…Thank you.
September 20th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Comment 30 is a perfect example of Axelrod’s strategy of posting through sock puppets. Opening paragraph;”I’m one of you”, second paragraph;”Being one of you, I don’t think much of Sarah Palin. Did I mention I’m one of you? Closing paragraph,”Maybe after you lose,I mean We lose the election, Sarah will grow up to be ready for prime time.”
September 20th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I’m with bc re: comment #30.
Calling Sarah Palin “unserious” is like calling Barack Obama “experienced.”
Also an example of the intolerance the so-called tolerant fascists — sorry, I meant the Demockacrats, liberals and leftists — exemplify.
September 20th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
i try to follow very closely and visit many web sites to try to ferret out the truth on important matters.
i freely admit to being a ardently conservative constitutionalist republican who favor the veinna school of economics.
i understand as to why blacks will vote for obama even if he promised to sell their children into slavery.
i can not understand why the people of the jewish faith in america are willing to condemn the people of isreal to death, by supporting always the democrats, who use your money and votes as they do the gays/ lesbian and other minorities should also clearly see, up to election day.
then you are just so much rubish to be ignored.
surprisingly the party that would more suit your mind set,as i know it, the republican, are denounced and distrusted.
why?
NO republican president would ever abandon isreal. No democrat would ever be willing to defend isreal.
i would welcome open honest dialog.
johndekxs9@yahoo.com
September 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
A fast question for Brian Levine. If he really IS “one of us”, he’ll be able to answer.
If Sarah Palin is “unserious” as a vice-presidential candidate, what does that say about Barack Obama as a candidate to fill the Big Chair?
If her “unserious”-ness is gounds to NOT vote for her ticket (even though the guy at the TOP of that ticket, John McCain- no matter what you think of him- is about as “serious” as it’s possible to get)– brian, than isn’t “unseriousness” pretty convincing grounds to vote AGAINST Obama?
September 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
This story reminds me of German Jewish World War I veterans who displayed their service medals and loudly proclaimed their loyalty to Fuehrer and Fatherland…even as they were herded into concentration camps.
September 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
You know, I’m no friend to the Democrats any more, but I really don’t think they’re anywhere close to the Nazis.
Those would be the Buchananites.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
While it is unfortunate in some respects for this to have happened, I think it all worked out for the best in the end. Sarah Palin is an embarrassment in general, and her affiliation with “Jews for Jesus” ought to disqualify her from inclusion in Jewish events.
Don’t trivialize Jewish organizations by inviting such people. There are others who can be invited. Moreover, the attempt to “sandbag” Hillary Clinton was petty and dishonest, and brings discredit.
The whining about all of this is even worse. It would a better idea to drop the whole thing and let it be forgotten.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
brian levine Says: ” On the other hand, Palin is a bit of a lightweight and many people, myself included, view her as a fundamentally unserious person about foreign affairs.”
You have succeeded in insuring that this protest is a non-event (page 32 if at all. If your goal was to slap the repubs, you win. If you wanted to call attend to the Iranian nutcase, you’re a loser.
What was your goal?
September 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
“Those would be the Buchananites.”
Meryl, the Buchananites are now allies of the Democrats on such matters as the continuing existence of Israel (which they can’t stand), and fighting against the “neoconservative” boogeymen (the new codeword for ‘jew’).
September 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Her affiliation with “Jews for Jesus” is that she was possibly in church the day a J4J spoke at the invitation of her pastor.
If Palin was in the tank for J4Js, I’d still vote for McCain, but I’d be extremely unhappy about it. And I wouldn’t be praising her. At all.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
By all means, keep your rallies civil and bipartisan for tax purposes, while Ahmadinejad’s scimitar hacks your head off. If IRS approval is your criterion for massing against vicious Muslim jihadists, you’re in more trouble than you know.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
New York Jews are over the barrel from leftists. It’s like Custer at the Little Big Horn. Jews are surrounded by violent ghettoes of Democratic Party voters, so they go along to get along.
Democrats really are becoming the thug party. Or have they ever been anything else? Hard to remember when.
September 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Does anyone have any idea about what Obama, as president, would discuss with Ahmadinejad? And how do you see Ahmadinejad replying? Just curious.
September 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
This has been a fascinating thread, especially as a Christian and Republican conservative. My reading of the Old Testament has God telling Abraham that God will “bless those that bless [Abraham and his descendants] and curse those that curse him”. How all of you have survived ghetto and pogrom and abuse (some of it, embarrassingly, from my those of my faith)is nothing short of supernatural. And now, once again, people are all too ready to blame you for every problem, and those on the left are leading the charge. Israel is our friend, our ally, and must remain free. Those on the left will sell Her out in a second.
September 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Sarah Palin is in no way an “embarassment” to anyone but her political enemies. She is one of the most popular politicians in the country right now, and could no doubt have brought attention and energy to the rally against Iranian aggression. Palin in numerous polls is more popular than Biden, who apparently wasn’t interested in attending.
Palin was photographed many months ago with a small flag of Israel in her office. She is a true supporter of America and our friend Israel, and Obama managed to have her slapped across the face for showing it. Fortunately most Palin supporters will realize this is another attempt by Obama to protect his friends in Iran at all costs.
September 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Meryl–
Re: Your comment (#39) — “… I really don’t think they’re anywhere close to the Nazis.” You inadvertently left off the word “yet”.
Re: Your comment (#43) — Please don’t consider us Christians (who take the great commission seriously) your enemy. Not only is it possible to love both Y’shuah Hamachiach and the people of Israel, anyone who claims to love him (but who hates his people) is a liar. It’s not my job to make Jews accept their Messiah, but it is my duty (regardless of how you hate to hear it) to tell you that you have. Prov 27:6 — “Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are importunate.”
September 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I think Palin’s minister makes Obama’s Rev. Wright look like Mister Rogers. These people want to ban books. They have quite a bunch of guests in there. Not only Jews for Jesus but in June, Mrs. Palin was blessed by a visiting African minister who’s famous for driving witches out of his home town.
I am sorry, but I do not trust the woman and I do not think she should be headlined by conservative Jewish organizations simply because she is Republican. I think the organizations who planned this rally stepped over the line.
I also think it is worthwhile for Jews to be represented in both political parties. I don’t think it is healthy for Jews to be identified as entirely Democratic. But we need to draw some lines, and I draw the line at Sarah Palin. I can’t vote for a ticket with her on it.
It is too bad McCain didn’t pick someone else, because he probably would have gotten my vote. But not her. She makes Dan Quayle look like Winston Churchill!
September 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
p.s.: And can we please stop it with the Nazi references? What, you think it is 1938?
September 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Meryl, you know better than that.
Hilary Clinton does not want to get into any direct confrontation with Sarah Palin, and she said that right from the beginning. Too much talk about the two women going head to head — “cat fight” being the operative description.
Non-profit organizations cannot be seen to be “campaigning” for one candidate or another, or they do risk challenges to their tax exempt status. That applies to every non-profit, and includes other religions.
As for Palin and Jews for Jesus, you all need to get more familiar with the Assembly of God. This is not a church that’s overly friendly to the Jewish people.
Oh, and the claims of Democrats being Nazis — when did you lose all the sense you used to have years ago? When did you fall back on cheap hyperbole? To me, to say that demeans what the Jewish people suffered under real Nazis years ago.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Shelley, come on. You’re not reading my comments, you’re reading other people’s comments. I never called Democrats Nazis. I did call them Mafia thugs, though.
Some of the commenters have gone overboard, and I agree, I would never equate the Dems with Nazis. Not ever. But I’m mostly letting people post what they want.
And Shelley, non-profit organizations campaign all the time. Churches and synagogues have political candidates speak to their congregations. I don’t see how attending an anti-Ahmadinejad rally is seen as campaigning. And the main point here is that when Hillary was the only politician invited, there wasn’t any talk of threatening the non-profit status of the organizations sponsoring the rally. But when Hillary pulled out, Dems threatened the organizations if they didn’t uninvite Sarah Palin. That’s the whole point of my post. Nothing more, nothing less. The Dems using Mafia tactics to get their way.
Those aren’t the Democrats I want to vote for.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Re: Republicrat’s #51. He’s right. The next Nazi reference gets deleted.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Hillary Clinton isn’t running for anything. She is a senator from New York, and I presume she would have been there in that capacity. If she were to give a campaign speech, then I would object.
I realize that there is a fine line here, and there is room for debate. But can’t we do this without calling people Nazis and thugs? Is there not too much of that already?
These organizations were caught trying to sandbag Hillary Clinton, who is a friend of Israel, as is Biden, as is Barack Obama. I know what some will say: His minister. And they will say to me, because I point at Palin’s minister I should point at Obama’s.
But I think if you look at the two characters, Obama is someone who has for his whole life wanted to hear all viewpoints. Hearing someone does not mean agreeing with someone. Palin is different. She hears only those who agree with her, and freezes out everything else.
They are very different people. One is a thinker in the best sense of the word, and the other is not intelligent and not a thinker at all. She is not a thug or a Nazi. She is a limited human being whose only contact with the White House should be during the daily tourist operation.
Now, Meryl, as someone who votes Republican some of the time and Democrat some of the time, I think I understand your viewpoint, but I am sorry I simply disagree with it. I think these organizations were caught with their pants down, and I think they know it, and I think they should live to fight another day.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Republicrat: the Jews for Jesus thing was debunked a long time ago. Palin is a Christian Zionist (viz, the Israeli flag in her office). It’s not her fault that her minister in Wasilla has one of the J4J’s over to proseletyze.
Go back and find another talking point.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
“Talking point.” So, this is what reasoning has come to?
September 20th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
“I think Palin’s minister makes Obama’s Rev. Wright look like Mister Rogers. These people want to ban books. They have quite a bunch of guests in there. Not only Jews for Jesus but in June, Mrs. Palin was blessed by a visiting African minister who’s famous for driving witches out of his home town.”
ZOMFG! Seriously? She got blessed by some crazy guy visiting from Africa? Oh noes! That’s ten times worse than having a 20 year relationship with, and getting polical council from, a degenerate liberation-theologist who prays “God damn America,” celebrates the 9/11 attacks, and uses Farrakkhan’s Nation of Islam for bodyguards.
Really, being blessed once from some visitor from Africa is much more troubling. You’ve sold me.
Oh and good job repeating the book banning smear.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Arghh. Counsel.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Republicrat:
If Obama is a “friend of Israel”, then why does he have these people as foreign policy advisors:
Malley
Brzezinski
McPeak
who are unremittingly hostile to Israel if not downright antisemitic? And what about his long association with a church that supports Hamas, if you’re so bent out of shape about “Jews for Jesus”?
“But I think if you look at the two characters, Obama is someone who has for his whole life wanted to hear all viewpoints. Hearing someone does not mean agreeing with someone. Palin is different. She hears only those who agree with her, and freezes out everything else.”
What is your evidence for this? Not Dem talking points, but real evidence? She has had to work with a lot more different people as Governor of Alaska than Obama did as a state legislator where he was sponsored by the Chicago Democratic machine who “took care” of all his political opponents for him. Obama is a slick, shallow hustler with little record of accomplishment and his longtime record of associations stretching back to Ayres and Wright and including the advisors mentioned above prove he is NO friend of Israel, regardless of what he may be saying temporarily to keep Jews voting Democrat.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Hay… nice thread… http://fuanglada.wordpress.com/ here… Conservative Alaskan blogging & voting for our Sarah and the old guy… I get why Hillary backed out… Did not want to give implied recognition and a pic with her & our Sarah… NP… That’s politics…
What little old Christian me does NOT understand is why this organization…
… if their goal was to demonstrate against whathisname from Iran and the putrid pukey policy he promotes of pretty much wiping Israel off the map… and…
given that our Sarah [We Alaskans are legally allowed to use the possessive pronoun when talking about our Gov... :) ] would GUARANTEE A HUGE CROWD AND ATTENDANT NEWS COVERAGE AND PUBLICITY… wimped out and dis invited our Sarah… Such cowards…
I think these Jews must not have much in common with the people of Mila 18…
or the Marines in my all time favorite book… [Battlecry]… They would be the ones sent off to be slaughtered if all it takes is a little political pressure to make them fold.
I worked 14 years in Saudi Arabia and know EXACTLY how Muslims [Sunni's there anyway] feel about Israel and Jews…
Beware people, as Iran marches slowly but surely towards nucs… and… choose your vote carefully…
September 20th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
The book banning is not a “smear.” She asked her town librarian about banning books. This was at a time when her church was agitating to ban books. She later said that these conversations were “theoretical.” You don’t have a “theoretical conversation” with a librarian about banning books.
Malley, Brzenski and McPeak are not “antisemites.”
September 20th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I hear you, Maysman. I’m not Jewish either, but when I heard all this going down I, too, wondered how these organizations could allow themselves to be bullied by a party that harbors their political fidelity.
Unbelievable.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
You don’t have a “theoretical conversation” with a librarian about banning books.
Given that she never attempted to ban any books, you clearly can have a theoretical discussion about it.
Anyway, it obviously wasn’t about banning anything; the library is a public resource that cannot hold every book in the universe - the public has a right to decide what it wants to pay for. Some groups of people have different ideas than others about what resources should belong there.
You will find that there are millions of parents in this country, many of whom are not at all sympathetic to fundamentalist Christianity, who agree that a public, taxpayer funded library
need not be a repository for everything and anything, particularly material that they might find unsuitable for their children. The right to free speech is not a right to public funding.
By all means, continue to use the “she tried to ban books” lie in a hysterical attempt to paint Palin as some kind of theocrat. It just reveals the intellectual bankruptcy of Obama’s supporters. Is this really the best you guys can do?
September 20th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
It must be Republicrat’s assignment from Obama central to spout what he has today.
My favorite? That Palin’s minister makes Jeremiah Wright look like Mister Rogers.
OK, mister or miss, prove it. Show sermons, tapes, etc.
Prove or retract it, if you’ve the figurative or literal testicularity.
BTW: Given the overt facism being practiced by Obama and his cronies to squelch free speech — e.g., attacks against Chicago radio shows, veiled or not-so-vield threats of retaliation against broadcast outlets, real threats against Jewish organizations, Cyberspace crime against Palin — yes, I’d say it is 1938 in whatever part of Obama’s and the Democrats’,liberals’ and leftists’ mind and soul in which he and they collectively are both afraid and abhorrent of free speech.
That is one very real signature of fascism.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
#55 republicrat:
I have to disagree with you here. According to my sources who worked in the White House during the Clinton administration (among others), Hillary is very much a thug and certainly should have nothing to do with the daily tourist operations.
Governor Palin, on the other hand, is extremely well read, articulate, and effective. Something else that Hillary is not particularly known for.
September 21st, 2008 at 12:28 am
wow, by mistake I came upon this site while checking out your headline. You have some pretty nutty commenters who come close to outright antisemitism in their “why don’t Jews” remarks but they ascribe antisemitism to everyone else. I guess that’s why they’re called “wingnuts” in polite society. Because of them, I’d like to nominate “republicrat” for sainthood for his calm reasoning with unreasonable people. May you live long enough to find one good person to reason with here republicrat. Sarah Palin believes the world is only a few thousand years old!! :) hehheh. ’nuff said.
btw, democrats didn’t threaten anyone’s precious tax status, just fyi.
September 21st, 2008 at 1:10 am
I can see that this is not a serious discussion. It has gone from people calling each other Nazis and thugs, to others altering people’s words. Goodbye.
September 21st, 2008 at 2:30 am
Why are so many Jews Democrats? Because we Jews have long memories. We remember our parents generation, when Republicans were mostly rich, mostly Gentile, and mostly bigoted against minorities. Times have changed and the roles of the Democrats and Republicans have switched 180 degrees. Some of us realize that. We know which party respects people as individuals and which party is mired in the politics of race, gender, and group identity. Unfortunately, the Republicans are not as good as the Democrats in creating fear and suspicion among voting blocs. Hate is an easier sell than principles.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:31 am
I can see that this is not a serious discussion. It has gone from people calling each other Nazis and thugs, to others altering people’s words. Goodbye.
Please don’t go Republicrat, everyone was enjoying your serious and well-thought out commentary, with such gems as
She is a limited human being whose only contact with the White House should be during the daily tourist operation.
Your staunch commitment to the cause of reasonable discourse will be deeply missed.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:09 am
Well, that threat is a loser.
2004 NAACP Convention, Kerry Attends, Bush doesn’t.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F03E4D6143AF935A25754C0A9629C8B63
Kerry and Bond both make partisan political comments, and the results of the IRS investigation?
http://www.naacp.org/legal/news/2006-08-31/index.htm
Still tax exempt, and the problem triggering the investigation was Bond’s comments. Not Kerry’s presence, or even his bashing Bush at that forum.
September 21st, 2008 at 5:12 am
It seems to me that most people take everything they read at face value without bothering to do any research. Instead of insulting Clinton,Palin, and each other; why don’t you take that time to do some investigating about this article?
You might find out that Obama’s team had nothing to do with HClinton pulling out of the rally. You might also discover that Obama’s campaign offered to send a representative to the event. Obama nor Biden could attend due to the lateness of the invitation they received and because of prior engagements.
But I guess it’s just more fun to rant, rave, and name call instead of finding out something about the actual events that transpired.
September 21st, 2008 at 8:28 am
#67 republicrat:
So can I. Its extremely difficult to take anybody seriously who equates the hatred taught by the Rev. Wright to Mr. Rogers.
I agree, the Nazi references in the thread are uncalled for~however, I stand by my witnesses to Mrs. Clinton’s thuggish behavior towards White House staff.
And I haven’t seen anybody alter anyone else’s comments: Having read one of your comments and responded to it, it was only after going back and reading the rest of the thread that I realized how seriously misinformed you are, and that you probably didn’t mean your comment the way I read it.
Keep this in mind, nights in Alaska are long. There isn’t much else to do but read and think. And Alaskans in general are fascinated by Israel: seeing many of the qualities that make Alaskans hardy frontiersmen in Israelis, they readily identify with them.
Alaskans also value entertainment, so they’re likely to go see the new show in town, whether it be some weirdo from J4J or Africa.
Like I said, the nights can get long. (My personal favorite for Alaskan entertainment remains the February wet T-shirt contest in Kodiak, fortunately its an indoor event.)
September 21st, 2008 at 9:04 am
69 comments so far, this is fantastic!
Message to the neo-Dems, many of us Jews are not falling for your phony politics any longer. In my family, many that have voted for the Dems for all of our lives, and the vote taken for granted, have, and are making the switch to the party that supports Israel–McCain/Palin!
Warning to Jewish fundraisers; I will carefully monitor your politics before I give you any more of my money!
September 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
#67 carter: Oh, since you said it, it must be so. I withdraw my entire post. Say, you wouldn’t have any kind of facts to back that up, would you?
By the way, nice choice of handle. We Jews just adore Jimmy Carter these days, what with him calling Israel an apartheid state and always excusing the war crimes of the Palestinians.
pearl89, read the next post. Soccerdad has done more research on the organization that worked to disinvite Palin, and gee, the main guy? He’s an Obama advisor.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
i totally dislike PAT PUKEANAN but i would not even call him a ‘nazi’ an anti semite of course. but to use the term ‘nazi’ would belittle the crimes of the ‘nazi’s. now there are plenty of groups and countries that would like to do what the nazi’s did to us. to name a few would be hezballah, hamas, al quada, the iranian al quds force as well as the iranian gov’t. what PAT PUKEANAN AND A.N.S.W.E.R (COMMIE ANTI SEMITES) AGREE ON IS THERE POLITICAL ANTI SEMITISM IN THE FORM OF ANTI ZIONISM.
What this showed was that Hillary was about Hillary and not us. If she cared about the iranian nukes she would have gladly spoken who ever was the other speakers. For example the number of liberal democrats who have spoken at so called anti war ralleis with known communists and other anti american and anti semitic trash is well known and it never seemed to bother them.
a shame on hillary for walking out on the jewish community in our hour of need. Iran getting a nuke is Israel’s worst danger. Now that the democrat UNCLE JAKE’S sold israel out one should be careful which jewish group you give your tzducka to.
it also showed the back stabing that liberal so called jewish group j-street is doing the democrats dirty work. SHAME ON YOU J-STREET.
September 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
J-STREET is happy to stab israel in the back as well REMEMBER THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GROUP because the hate they seem to have for AIPAC a group that proudly supports Israel.
September 21st, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I’m Jewish and vote Republican, but I lived most of my life outside the US, so I’m out of touch with the Jewish = Democrat phenomenon .. I’m still trying to puzzle it out.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 am
Sorry, Palin is a serious lightweight with no serious foreign policy or economic experience.
I am not a fan of Hilary Clinton, but I’d wager that she’d shred Palin in a debate.
As for which party is a better defender of Israel, well I don’t trust either of them. They will continue to support Israel as long as they find it to be politically expedient and not a moment longer.
And my concern about Palin’s church extends beyond the J4J issue. It exists because of support for witnessing. It exists because of foolish statements made by her pastor.
It exists because I prefer candidates who at least pretend to make decisions that are not based upon prayer.
Palin is not getting based for being ignorant in a vacuum. She is getting bashed because she is ignorant and inexperienced in critical areas.
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 am
Surprise!
A Dem would make and a** of herself for her party and make a threat? Why do dems hate everything about FREEDOM? Why do they want to brainwash the world with “We are the ONES you have been waiting for?” They are not the ONES I have been waiting for. Enough empty suits in Congress, the Senate and the ONE running for President! If you can beat them destroy them! Why does the Masiah keep bringing up race? It is because he has nothing else to fall on but pitty , in my mind his color shows and his color is the color of a Commy! As far as the Jewish people you don’t have to back down from the very people who are bring the county to it’s knees and rewarding themselves with millions of dollars. They are afraid of Sarah because she will clean the theives out of Congress and the Senate. They have our money in their pockets and in thei vacation homes. Don’t be afraid of the truth Sarah don’t need to be at a protest she needs to be with the people not a bunch of demacrats, Jane Fonda and the commy party!
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Sorry, Palin is a serious lightweight with no serious foreign policy or economic experience.
…and yet, you’re going to vote for Obama… who has less.
September 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 am
They are afraid of Sarah because she will clean the theives out of Congress and the Senate.
Hah. That is laughable. What makes you think that she has any intention or ability to do so. She hasn’t yet.
…and yet, you’re going to vote for Obama… who has less.
It is truly debatable who has less experience. Palin’s experience as gov. and mayor are nothing to crow about.
Her governing experience is filled with tales of personal vendettas, flip flopping and a score of other question marks.
September 28th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Jack,
I’m truly sorry to say this,but I suspect you were a,(Lowers voice) Liberal Arts major.How else can i explain the lack of straight line thinking where a person worries about Gov Palin’s pastor and ‘foolish positions’.Certainly Sen Obama’s Pastor (and hisfreindly priest) have been hate mongers.And the Sen attended Rev Wright’s place for a couple decades.
I suspect that Sen Obama’s beliefs take a back seat to expedience.But ,could you please comment on whether the vid eo on hte net captured the only slime filled(anti white/anti US sermon) delevered in the 20 yrs or so.Remember,I’m only asking for an opinion(belief)
From “When I was a Lad”
As a youngster I lacked moral insight
So I took my instruction fro reverend Wright
I slept through sermons-from Spring through Fall
and I never heard him slander anyone at all!
I slept through sermons so incessantly,that now I am my party’s chosen nominee
“He slepth through sermons so consistently
that now he is his Party’s Chosen nominee
September 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Personal vendetta?Give me two
Flip flopping?Give me two
Hum,hum,hum hum
My Orgamizing had such low yields,
I was sent to the Senate -in downstate Springfield
I voted “present” in a voice so bland
And I alwys helped my patron,if he’d grease my hand
I voted “present” so con-sis-tent-ly
That now I am my party’s chosen Nominee
“He voted’Present’ so ef-fort-less-ly
That now he is his parties chosen nominee
September 28th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Jack,
A couple of other questons on your logic.How do you state Gov Palin’s faith based views are too strong,and then say it would be easy for her to abandon Israel?