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		<title>Signs of Wanting Peace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbi Kaufman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Peace Negotiations]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Surrender]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to a recent New York Times article: The Palestinian decision to apply for full United Nations membership at the Security Council, announced Friday by President Mahmoud Abbas, was the most viable of the only options possible: surrender, return to violence or appeal &#8230; <a href="https://www.yourish.com/2011/10/06/15150">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/world/middleeast/palestinians-see-united-nations-appeal-as-best-option-available.html?_r=3&amp;ref=world">recent New York Times article</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Palestinian decision to apply for full United Nations membership at the Security Council, announced Friday by President Mahmoud Abbas, was the most viable of the only options possible: <strong>surrender, return to violence or appeal to the international community</strong>, a senior Palestinian official said Saturday.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this sentiment has been grossly misinterpreted in the media. We all understand what a &#8220;return to violence&#8221; would mean. It would mean another intifada. The last one failed to achieve anything at all for the Palestinians. Intifada is not going to lead to a state.</p>
<p>&#8220;Appeal to the international community&#8221; obviously means bringing to the United Nations demands that could not be achieved through violence.</p>
<p>The real question is what &#8220;surrender&#8221; means. I think that many people who support the creation of a Palestinian state believe wrongly that this means give in, not have a state, and continue to be occupied forever. Thus, their gut reaction is to say, &#8220;No, we don&#8217;t want you to surrender!&#8221; However, I do not believe this is what &#8220;surrender&#8221; means at all.</p>
<p>What is meant by &#8220;surrender&#8221; is giving up the goal of winning the war of 1948, of eventually eliminating the Jewish state. By not asking the proper question which is &#8220;Surrender what exactly?&#8221; the supporters of a two-states for two-peoples solution end up preventing exactly that. Instead of telling the Palestinians &#8220;Yes, we want you to surrender and to make peace with a Jewish state that will continue to exist for generations to come,&#8221; they say, &#8220;No, we don&#8217;t want you to surrender; fight for your right to self determination.&#8221; They say this naive to the fact that the goal is neither statehood nor peace, but a step forward on a path designed to eliminate the Jewish state.</p>
<p>I know there are plenty of supporters of the Palestinians who would advocate for the elimination of the Jewish state. I do not make this argument for their benefit. I write this for those who believe in a two state solution and who wish to help the Palestinians achieve statehood. They need to hear the words, &#8220;Yes, you need to surrender. Yes, you need to make peace with the Jewish state.&#8221; Nothing other than those words will make a difference.</p>
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		<title>Non-Violence as a Military Tactic</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2011/04/27/14166</link>
		
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbi Kaufman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Fence Protests]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mark Perry]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Mark Perry&#8217;s recent article in Foreign Policy, he wrote: In Cairo, in June of 2009, President Obama linked the Palestinian quest for freedom to the American civil rights movement. &#8220;Palestinians must abandon violence,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Resistance through violence and killing &#8230; <a href="https://www.yourish.com/2011/04/27/14166">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/26/when_montgomery_comes_to_nabi_saleh">Mark Perry&#8217;s recent article</a> in Foreign Policy, he wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>In Cairo, in  June of 2009, President Obama <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09" target="_blank">linked</a> the  Palestinian quest for freedom to the American civil rights movement.  &#8220;Palestinians must abandon violence,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Resistance through violence and  killing is wrong and it does not succeed.&#8221; He was right. So why is it that now  &#8212; when finally, Montgomery has come to Nabi Saleh &#8212; he chooses to remain  silent?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is an appeal to Obama specifically presenting the Palestinian  cause as a civil rights movement. The obvious answer to Perry is that it is <strong>not</strong> a civil rights movement, but rather an attempt to <strong>use non-violence to achieve  the military objectives that violence failed to achieve</strong>, namely the acquisition  of lands. In other words, <em>the only rights in question are rights to land</em>.</p>
<p>Land  issues should be solved in <strong>negotiations</strong>, not through violence or through  non-violence. Non-violence is a <strong>tactic</strong>, not a goal. <strong>If the goals are the  acquisition of territory or the elimination of the Jewish state, non-violence is  in fact simply another tactic used to achieve these military goals</strong>. One can be a non-violent hater, a non-violent Jew hater, a non-violent advocate for the elimination of the Jewish state through non-violent means, a non-violent advocate for the expulsion of the Jews from the land. </p>
<p>We may argue about whether or not certain border fences should be where they are and whether certain lands will be Israel&#8217;s or part of a future Palestinian state, but the use of non-violence to achieve those goals rather than negotiations is only qualitatively different from using violence. In effect,<strong> one can execute a non-violent attack and attempts to harm Israelis by harming Israeli security are exactly such an attack.</strong> This is why non-violent protests that attempt to do harm to Israel&#8217;s security are met with a response as if Israel were under attack. They are attacks.</p>
<p>The only question that need be asked if one is wondering whether or not an action qualifies as an attack is &#8220;<strong>Does it affect the other side harmfully?</strong>&#8221; Attempts to dismantle security barriers that prevent harm from coming to residents on the other side are such attempts.</p>
<p><strong>Addendum from Meryl:</strong> Mark Perry is lying about the protests being nonviolent.</p>
<p>A border guard was <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/soldier-hit-by-stone-during-anti-fence-protest-loses-eye-1.160373">blinded by a &#8220;protester&#8221;</a>.  There were also <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2007/03/16/2872">broken leg</a>, <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2007/03/16/2872">broken arm</a>, <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/02/1362">injuries</a>, <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/26/1325">injuries</a>, and more injuries during the weekly Bilin &#8220;protests.&#8221; And here is a <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2009/05/22/7590">picture of the stones used</a> to injure the soldiers.</p>
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