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		By: Herschel		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;In any case, many years ago I echoed something Lezlek Kolakowski said in a different context: If that is left, then hell no I am not left and do not wish to be,â€ my feelings exactly! If the left is so clearly wrong about the critical subject of Israel&#039;s survival, then how can I trust ANYTHING else in their #$%&#038;&#038;^ song book!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In any case, many years ago I echoed something Lezlek Kolakowski said in a different context: If that is left, then hell no I am not left and do not wish to be,â€ my feelings exactly! If the left is so clearly wrong about the critical subject of Israel&#8217;s survival, then how can I trust ANYTHING else in their #$%&amp;&amp;^ song book!</p>
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		By: soccer dad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And I still remember when you got the better of Andrew Sullivan about the booing of Wolfowitz at the pro-Israel rally April 15, 2002.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I still remember when you got the better of Andrew Sullivan about the booing of Wolfowitz at the pro-Israel rally April 15, 2002.</p>
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		By: Alex Bensky		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/04/21/10699/comment-page-1#comment-39910</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the more interesting things about J Street is that this ostensibly pro-Israel group seems to have adopted the Palestinian narrative almost in toto: The Palestinians want and are ready for a genuine two-state solution; the settlements are a major barrier to achieving that; Ramat Shlomo can be considered a settlement, and now it echoes a rather vicious anti-Israel talking point, namely that Israel&#039;s intransigence and obstinacy puts the lives of American troops in jeopardy.

I assume most readers of this weblog are well aware that J Street is a subject of substantial contributions by people who are in no way &quot;pro-Israel and pro-peace.&quot; The contribution isn&#039;t the problem by itself--generally if people offer you money you should take it. But when asked why such people would direct substantial chunks of money to it, J Street&#039;s usual response is that these people show they just want a two-state solution, etc. But you look at the websites for the organization those people belong to and you don&#039;t see much acceptance of Israel&#039;s right to exist; quite the opposite, as it happens.

A little experiment I&#039;ve tried a few times: Read J Street&#039;s public pronouncements and see if there&#039;s anything in them that could not come from a pro-Palestinian group, albeit one that likes to present itself as moderate.

I think J Street is mostly a haven for people whose main loyalty is to progressivism but aren&#039;t able to acknowledge that between today&#039;s progressivism and genuine support for Israel there is a gulf. In any case, many years ago I echoed something Lezlek Kolakowski said in a different context: If that is left, then hell no I am not left and do not wish to be.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the more interesting things about J Street is that this ostensibly pro-Israel group seems to have adopted the Palestinian narrative almost in toto: The Palestinians want and are ready for a genuine two-state solution; the settlements are a major barrier to achieving that; Ramat Shlomo can be considered a settlement, and now it echoes a rather vicious anti-Israel talking point, namely that Israel&#8217;s intransigence and obstinacy puts the lives of American troops in jeopardy.</p>
<p>I assume most readers of this weblog are well aware that J Street is a subject of substantial contributions by people who are in no way &#8220;pro-Israel and pro-peace.&#8221; The contribution isn&#8217;t the problem by itself&#8211;generally if people offer you money you should take it. But when asked why such people would direct substantial chunks of money to it, J Street&#8217;s usual response is that these people show they just want a two-state solution, etc. But you look at the websites for the organization those people belong to and you don&#8217;t see much acceptance of Israel&#8217;s right to exist; quite the opposite, as it happens.</p>
<p>A little experiment I&#8217;ve tried a few times: Read J Street&#8217;s public pronouncements and see if there&#8217;s anything in them that could not come from a pro-Palestinian group, albeit one that likes to present itself as moderate.</p>
<p>I think J Street is mostly a haven for people whose main loyalty is to progressivism but aren&#8217;t able to acknowledge that between today&#8217;s progressivism and genuine support for Israel there is a gulf. In any case, many years ago I echoed something Lezlek Kolakowski said in a different context: If that is left, then hell no I am not left and do not wish to be.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Laura SF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone who knows even the smallest amount about creating surveys knows that those sorts of questions - called &quot;forced choice&quot; - are completely useless as indicators of public opinion.  They are sometimes used in personality-profile questionnaires, but even then they have to be carefully written to be truly opposite poles on a single dimension: e.g., &quot;I love to go to parties where I don&#039;t know many of the people&quot; vs. &quot;I prefer to go to parties where I know most of the people.&quot;  The example here does not offer cleanly opposite poles, because it contains multiple ideas in each potential answer.  That&#039;s another big no-no in questionnaire creation: the &quot;double-barreled&quot; question.  In this case, you may agree that &quot;Middle East peace is a core American interest&quot; but NOT agree that &quot;the United States should use assertive diplomacy to end the Palestinian- Israeli conflict&quot; - or vice versa.  Similarly, you may think that &quot;Only the parties themselves can make peace&quot; but disagree that the US should stay out of it entirely.  

This is seriously the most amateurish question I&#039;ve seen in a national poll that wasn&#039;t obviously a &quot;push-poll&quot; (designed by marketing people to appear objective while feeding you information in favor of a particular candidate or product).  My guess is that - as you&#039;ve noted - this was a completely dishonest effort from start to finish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who knows even the smallest amount about creating surveys knows that those sorts of questions &#8211; called &#8220;forced choice&#8221; &#8211; are completely useless as indicators of public opinion.  They are sometimes used in personality-profile questionnaires, but even then they have to be carefully written to be truly opposite poles on a single dimension: e.g., &#8220;I love to go to parties where I don&#8217;t know many of the people&#8221; vs. &#8220;I prefer to go to parties where I know most of the people.&#8221;  The example here does not offer cleanly opposite poles, because it contains multiple ideas in each potential answer.  That&#8217;s another big no-no in questionnaire creation: the &#8220;double-barreled&#8221; question.  In this case, you may agree that &#8220;Middle East peace is a core American interest&#8221; but NOT agree that &#8220;the United States should use assertive diplomacy to end the Palestinian- Israeli conflict&#8221; &#8211; or vice versa.  Similarly, you may think that &#8220;Only the parties themselves can make peace&#8221; but disagree that the US should stay out of it entirely.  </p>
<p>This is seriously the most amateurish question I&#8217;ve seen in a national poll that wasn&#8217;t obviously a &#8220;push-poll&#8221; (designed by marketing people to appear objective while feeding you information in favor of a particular candidate or product).  My guess is that &#8211; as you&#8217;ve noted &#8211; this was a completely dishonest effort from start to finish.</p>
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		By: Soccerdad		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/04/21/10699/comment-page-1#comment-39905</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And remember that J-Street has a pollster &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/75641&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who is involved with the group&lt;/a&gt;, who can give a patina of respectability to these mendacious &quot;polls.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And remember that J-Street has a pollster <a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/75641" rel="nofollow">who is involved with the group</a>, who can give a patina of respectability to these mendacious &#8220;polls.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Joshua		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/04/21/10699/comment-page-1#comment-39903</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even though I support a two-state solution, I don&#039;t support the Obama administration&#039;s &quot;bold pursuit of that goal,&quot; because to the current administration, boldly pursuing that goal seems to mean &quot;picking fights with the current Israeli government&quot; as opposed to pressuring the Palestinians to negotiate in good faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I support a two-state solution, I don&#8217;t support the Obama administration&#8217;s &#8220;bold pursuit of that goal,&#8221; because to the current administration, boldly pursuing that goal seems to mean &#8220;picking fights with the current Israeli government&#8221; as opposed to pressuring the Palestinians to negotiate in good faith.</p>
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		By: Sabba Hillel		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/04/21/10699/comment-page-1#comment-39900</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ooops, I meant There are those (like J-Street) who go along with the Arabs who believe that the â€œtwo state solutionâ€ means that a new Arab state must be carved out of Israel and the Jews can have (temporarily) whatever is left. However, the word &quot;less&quot; does fit with the Arba beliefs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, I meant There are those (like J-Street) who go along with the Arabs who believe that the â€œtwo state solutionâ€ means that a new Arab state must be carved out of Israel and the Jews can have (temporarily) whatever is left. However, the word &#8220;less&#8221; does fit with the Arba beliefs.</p>
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		By: Sabba Hillel		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/04/21/10699/comment-page-1#comment-39899</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabba Hillel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another point is that the phrase &quot;two state solution&quot; means different things to different people. There are those who believe that the &quot;two state solution&quot; means Jordan and Israel. There are those (like J-Street) who go along with the Arabs who believe that the &quot;two state solution&quot; means that a new Arab state must be carved out of Israel and the Jews can have (temporarily) whatever is less.

Not that the J-Street poll is very careful to &lt;b&gt;avoid&lt;/b&gt; saying what the &quot;two state solution&quot; will mean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point is that the phrase &#8220;two state solution&#8221; means different things to different people. There are those who believe that the &#8220;two state solution&#8221; means Jordan and Israel. There are those (like J-Street) who go along with the Arabs who believe that the &#8220;two state solution&#8221; means that a new Arab state must be carved out of Israel and the Jews can have (temporarily) whatever is less.</p>
<p>Not that the J-Street poll is very careful to <b>avoid</b> saying what the &#8220;two state solution&#8221; will mean.</p>
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