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		By: Michael Lonie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Lonie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well when the Shi&#039;a of Iran could trust and count on America (back in the 70s) they went and overthrew the Shah and put in power Khomenei, who almost immediately made Iran the enemy of the USA through the embassy seizure, even as the Carter Administration tried to establish good, or even merely correct, relations with the new Iranian government.  That Iranian act backfired on them, because Saddam Hussein would never have dared invade if Iran had still been an ally, or even reasonably friendly with, the USA.  Khomenei&#039;s bigoted, senile hatred of America, and the stupidity and fanaticism of the &quot;students&quot; who seized the embassy, played a major role in getting a million Iranians killed.  So I&#039;m not too impressed with any Shi&#039;a complaint that they can&#039;t trust America because were are too much inclined to help the Jews of Israel to fight off the threat of genocide facing them. 

I suspect that if the Shah had not been overthrown, the cancer that killed him would have done so at about the same time he actually died.  Then his heir could have proved to be a reformer, especially if pushed in that direction by American influence, and the Iranians could have been in the situation today of living in a constitutional monarchy with the freedoms they are now trying to wrest from the iron grip of their Islamofascist masters.  In the 20th century, revolutions almost invariably resulted in the replacement of misrule, not by bad government as Ambrose Bierce&#039;s definition said, but by horrible tyranny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when the Shi&#8217;a of Iran could trust and count on America (back in the 70s) they went and overthrew the Shah and put in power Khomenei, who almost immediately made Iran the enemy of the USA through the embassy seizure, even as the Carter Administration tried to establish good, or even merely correct, relations with the new Iranian government.  That Iranian act backfired on them, because Saddam Hussein would never have dared invade if Iran had still been an ally, or even reasonably friendly with, the USA.  Khomenei&#8217;s bigoted, senile hatred of America, and the stupidity and fanaticism of the &#8220;students&#8221; who seized the embassy, played a major role in getting a million Iranians killed.  So I&#8217;m not too impressed with any Shi&#8217;a complaint that they can&#8217;t trust America because were are too much inclined to help the Jews of Israel to fight off the threat of genocide facing them. </p>
<p>I suspect that if the Shah had not been overthrown, the cancer that killed him would have done so at about the same time he actually died.  Then his heir could have proved to be a reformer, especially if pushed in that direction by American influence, and the Iranians could have been in the situation today of living in a constitutional monarchy with the freedoms they are now trying to wrest from the iron grip of their Islamofascist masters.  In the 20th century, revolutions almost invariably resulted in the replacement of misrule, not by bad government as Ambrose Bierce&#8217;s definition said, but by horrible tyranny.</p>
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		By: Meryl Yourish		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2010/03/16/10378/comment-page-1#comment-39556</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.yourish.com/2010/03/16/10378/comment-page-1#comment-39554&quot;&gt;soccer dad&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s because they all buy the propaganda that the PA spent decades working on. They were taught by the Russians, you may remember. And it&#039;s worked. The Shiites in Iraq who are getting blown up by the Sunnis are still saying that if only Israel weren&#039;t &quot;oppressing&quot; the Palestinians, they would be able to trust and count on the Americans.

Riiiiight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.yourish.com/2010/03/16/10378/comment-page-1#comment-39554">soccer dad</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because they all buy the propaganda that the PA spent decades working on. They were taught by the Russians, you may remember. And it&#8217;s worked. The Shiites in Iraq who are getting blown up by the Sunnis are still saying that if only Israel weren&#8217;t &#8220;oppressing&#8221; the Palestinians, they would be able to trust and count on the Americans.</p>
<p>Riiiiight.</p>
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		By: soccer dad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The latest news has it that Petraeus never asked to have authority over WB/Gaza.
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&#038;article=68715

However the sentiments he expressed are largely in accord with what&#039;s expressed in tha article.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0310/Petraeus_throws_support_to_Mitchell_peace_efforts.html?showall]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest news has it that Petraeus never asked to have authority over WB/Gaza.<br />
<a href="http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&#038;article=68715" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&#038;article=68715</a></p>
<p>However the sentiments he expressed are largely in accord with what&#8217;s expressed in tha article.<br />
<a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0310/Petraeus_throws_support_to_Mitchell_peace_efforts.html?showall" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0310/Petraeus_throws_support_to_Mitchell_peace_efforts.html?showall</a></p>
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		By: soccer dad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/258091&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Noah Pollak&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; in good company.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/258091" rel="nofollow">Noah Pollak&#8217;s</a> in good company.</p>
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		By: soccer dad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JDF, the article that &quot;quoted&quot; Gen. Petraeus was written by a guy who used to do PR for Yasser Arafat. I&#039;ve asked about the article in a different forum and was told by someone with a connection that it&#039;s BS.

Maybe the administration is laying this at the feet of Gen. Petraeus so they can credibly claim that it&#039;s a security issue. But apparently it doesn&#039;t come from Petraeus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDF, the article that &#8220;quoted&#8221; Gen. Petraeus was written by a guy who used to do PR for Yasser Arafat. I&#8217;ve asked about the article in a different forum and was told by someone with a connection that it&#8217;s BS.</p>
<p>Maybe the administration is laying this at the feet of Gen. Petraeus so they can credibly claim that it&#8217;s a security issue. But apparently it doesn&#8217;t come from Petraeus.</p>
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		By: Veeshir		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Israel haters usually only take each other seriously so they are wholly ignorant of any 
other side to the story. 

I work with a guy who gets all his news from the NY Times, Wash Post, CNN and the New Yorker. 
Seriously. 

His misconceptions on Israel are astounding and his ignorance is breathtaking. 
He knows all about Jewish terrorists against Britain in the 30s, but then you had to see the look
on his face when I said, &quot;See? There were Jews there before 1946&quot;. 
That had never occurred to him. 

He knows about &quot;700 Arabs expelled from Jerusalem&quot; (I didn&#039;t ask) but has never heard of the fact that Israel&#039;s
peace-loving neighbors, at the founding of Israel, told all Muslims to leave the area so they could 
kill all the Jews and not mistakenly kill some Muslims. 

He had no idea that Israel gave back any of the land they took from their neighbors who tried to kill them all. 

He had no idea whatsoever that they gave back the Sinai for instance. 

Talking to him is a pain in the neck, you have to figure which misconception or ignorance he&#039;s relying on for any statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israel haters usually only take each other seriously so they are wholly ignorant of any<br />
other side to the story. </p>
<p>I work with a guy who gets all his news from the NY Times, Wash Post, CNN and the New Yorker.<br />
Seriously. </p>
<p>His misconceptions on Israel are astounding and his ignorance is breathtaking.<br />
He knows all about Jewish terrorists against Britain in the 30s, but then you had to see the look<br />
on his face when I said, &#8220;See? There were Jews there before 1946&#8221;.<br />
That had never occurred to him. </p>
<p>He knows about &#8220;700 Arabs expelled from Jerusalem&#8221; (I didn&#8217;t ask) but has never heard of the fact that Israel&#8217;s<br />
peace-loving neighbors, at the founding of Israel, told all Muslims to leave the area so they could<br />
kill all the Jews and not mistakenly kill some Muslims. </p>
<p>He had no idea that Israel gave back any of the land they took from their neighbors who tried to kill them all. </p>
<p>He had no idea whatsoever that they gave back the Sinai for instance. </p>
<p>Talking to him is a pain in the neck, you have to figure which misconception or ignorance he&#8217;s relying on for any statement.</p>
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		By: Shtetl G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Republican Guard in Iran terrorizes and murders protesters and the best Obama can do is a half hearted condemnation a week later and mumble the world is watching.  The Norks can shoot missiles towards Alaska. Chavez can pay FARK terrorists to assassinate elected leaders in Columbia but god forbid Israel announces that they are building in Jerusalem during Biden&#039;s visit. Now Obama is demanding that Israel release terrorists, freeze all building, and give up more land in the West bank (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156467.html).  Obama&#039;s foreign policy of comforting his enemies and hectoring is allies is worse than any characterization that the McCain campaign could dream up.  

All this while Obama tries to bankrupt our economy with his payola stimulus bill and socialized medicine schemes.  The worse thing is that if the economy picks up and the republicans offer a weak candidate we might have four more years of this joker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Guard in Iran terrorizes and murders protesters and the best Obama can do is a half hearted condemnation a week later and mumble the world is watching.  The Norks can shoot missiles towards Alaska. Chavez can pay FARK terrorists to assassinate elected leaders in Columbia but god forbid Israel announces that they are building in Jerusalem during Biden&#8217;s visit. Now Obama is demanding that Israel release terrorists, freeze all building, and give up more land in the West bank (<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156467.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156467.html</a>).  Obama&#8217;s foreign policy of comforting his enemies and hectoring is allies is worse than any characterization that the McCain campaign could dream up.  </p>
<p>All this while Obama tries to bankrupt our economy with his payola stimulus bill and socialized medicine schemes.  The worse thing is that if the economy picks up and the republicans offer a weak candidate we might have four more years of this joker.</p>
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		By: anon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have searched the internets and have NOT found any mention of General Petraeus making that statement, EXCEPT for the article in Foreign Affairs.  Self referential acknowledgments do not count.

Anyone else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have searched the internets and have NOT found any mention of General Petraeus making that statement, EXCEPT for the article in Foreign Affairs.  Self referential acknowledgments do not count.</p>
<p>Anyone else?</p>
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		By: JDF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See today&#039;s Jerusalem Post -- the article re the ADL.  The charge that israel is putting US soldiers&#039; lives at risk was made by Biden and VERY DISTIBURINGLY by General Petraeus according the the article, citing and article in Foreiign Affairs journal.  The quote attributed to Petraeus is horrendous -- the import of which I am afraid can not be overstated.   He supposedly said in a memo earlier this year words to the effect that the US/Israeli relationship is important, but not as important as the lives of US soldiers.  That kind of downright libelous statement coming from a top US commander in this day and age?  And being fed to an administration that has little of no gut sympathy for Israel and in particular buys in the issues with the Araba nd Muslim worlds is an outgrowth of US misdeeds and failure aat outreach and understanding.  Michael Oren is right to say there is a crisis in relations.  Views?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See today&#8217;s Jerusalem Post &#8212; the article re the ADL.  The charge that israel is putting US soldiers&#8217; lives at risk was made by Biden and VERY DISTIBURINGLY by General Petraeus according the the article, citing and article in Foreiign Affairs journal.  The quote attributed to Petraeus is horrendous &#8212; the import of which I am afraid can not be overstated.   He supposedly said in a memo earlier this year words to the effect that the US/Israeli relationship is important, but not as important as the lives of US soldiers.  That kind of downright libelous statement coming from a top US commander in this day and age?  And being fed to an administration that has little of no gut sympathy for Israel and in particular buys in the issues with the Araba nd Muslim worlds is an outgrowth of US misdeeds and failure aat outreach and understanding.  Michael Oren is right to say there is a crisis in relations.  Views?</p>
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