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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am not wishing that the next president be hostile to Israel, God forbid.&quot;  Right.  And Obama is Israel&#039;s best friend.  And Carter is not antisemitic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not wishing that the next president be hostile to Israel, God forbid.&#8221;  Right.  And Obama is Israel&#8217;s best friend.  And Carter is not antisemitic.</p>
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		By: Michael Lonie		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2008/05/18/4833/comment-page-1#comment-31996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Lonie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very true Herschel.  I have simply given up on the Palis doing anything of the sort.

As for the world not condemning Israel for defending itself against such acts of war, that was typical Peace Now delusion.  I would expect most of the world to scream bloody murder.  My point was simply that Israel could then point to the UN Charter itself and tell the screamers to eff off.  Personally, I no longer care if the collection of thugs and grifters that makes up &quot;world opinion&quot; denounces Israel (or the USA for that matter).  I am more inclined to think that the louder they scream, the more right the actions that caused their discomfort are.

I don&#039;t insist that I know better than the Israelis do.  I merely suggest possible things.  In this case it is a rope-a-dope strategy.  Yes it would need an Israel government able and willing to do the job and take the risk.  What is the alternative to doing something inevitably more or less violent against the Palis?  Sinking further into the mire of victimization and demoralization?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Herschel.  I have simply given up on the Palis doing anything of the sort.</p>
<p>As for the world not condemning Israel for defending itself against such acts of war, that was typical Peace Now delusion.  I would expect most of the world to scream bloody murder.  My point was simply that Israel could then point to the UN Charter itself and tell the screamers to eff off.  Personally, I no longer care if the collection of thugs and grifters that makes up &#8220;world opinion&#8221; denounces Israel (or the USA for that matter).  I am more inclined to think that the louder they scream, the more right the actions that caused their discomfort are.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t insist that I know better than the Israelis do.  I merely suggest possible things.  In this case it is a rope-a-dope strategy.  Yes it would need an Israel government able and willing to do the job and take the risk.  What is the alternative to doing something inevitably more or less violent against the Palis?  Sinking further into the mire of victimization and demoralization?</p>
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		By: Herschel		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2008/05/18/4833/comment-page-1#comment-31992</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of all the arm chair quarterbacks watching a football game, or other sporting event. They are all experts and know more then the coach and players on the field that have been playing the game since childhood. 

The fans easily know more then the athletes and coaches that have dedicated their adult lives to this sport, and have made millions of dollars because of their previous success. 

And now some shlimeil named Goldberg comes out with a theory that can solve one of the worlds oldest problems, if we only listen to him! What a #%^^$% moron.

If you want to begin to solve the Israel/Pal problem, start by forcing the Pals to stop indoctrinating their population with the constant hate Israel, and hate the Jews propaganda coming from all of their media and schools.

The Pals will only negotiate a lasting peace if they respect the Jewish nation, by either education, or, by force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of all the arm chair quarterbacks watching a football game, or other sporting event. They are all experts and know more then the coach and players on the field that have been playing the game since childhood. </p>
<p>The fans easily know more then the athletes and coaches that have dedicated their adult lives to this sport, and have made millions of dollars because of their previous success. </p>
<p>And now some shlimeil named Goldberg comes out with a theory that can solve one of the worlds oldest problems, if we only listen to him! What a #%^^$% moron.</p>
<p>If you want to begin to solve the Israel/Pal problem, start by forcing the Pals to stop indoctrinating their population with the constant hate Israel, and hate the Jews propaganda coming from all of their media and schools.</p>
<p>The Pals will only negotiate a lasting peace if they respect the Jewish nation, by either education, or, by force.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;After all he wrote if the Palestinians commit terror from their sovereign territory who would blame Israel for striking back.&quot;

Now that Israel has freed Gaza Strip from their domination and made it a sovreign territory of the Palestinian people, does the world still blame Israel when it strikes back against the terror committed from there?

So much for that idea. I really don&#039;t think it would be any different if they set the West Bank free either. The world would just keep blaming Israel for the attacks being launched on Tel Aviv.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all he wrote if the Palestinians commit terror from their sovereign territory who would blame Israel for striking back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that Israel has freed Gaza Strip from their domination and made it a sovreign territory of the Palestinian people, does the world still blame Israel when it strikes back against the terror committed from there?</p>
<p>So much for that idea. I really don&#8217;t think it would be any different if they set the West Bank free either. The world would just keep blaming Israel for the attacks being launched on Tel Aviv.</p>
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		By: soccer dad		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2008/05/18/4833/comment-page-1#comment-31986</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[soccer dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael,

I remember in the 80&#039;s a prominent Peace Now activist in Baltimore advocating something like that. After all he wrote if the Palestinians commit terror from their sovereign territory who would blame Israel for striking back.

It would be a high risk/possible high reward proposition. But you&#039;d need an Israeli government willing (and able) to take the risk of ceding the territory and acting firmly in response to the inevitable terrorism.

Gary:

Yes, I wish there were a more delicate way to put it too. But there isn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I remember in the 80&#8217;s a prominent Peace Now activist in Baltimore advocating something like that. After all he wrote if the Palestinians commit terror from their sovereign territory who would blame Israel for striking back.</p>
<p>It would be a high risk/possible high reward proposition. But you&#8217;d need an Israeli government willing (and able) to take the risk of ceding the territory and acting firmly in response to the inevitable terrorism.</p>
<p>Gary:</p>
<p>Yes, I wish there were a more delicate way to put it too. But there isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;A pro-Israel president today would be one who prods the Jewish state â€” publicly, continuously and vociferously â€” to create conditions on the West Bank that would allow for the birth of a moderate Palestinian state.&quot;

I have to apologize in advance for the language, but I can&#039;t think of a better way to put it - what an absolute crock of stinking horseshit.  What this is all about is trying to protray Obama as Israel&#039;s &quot;friend&quot; while he takes the Jimmy Carter position on the Middle East - it&#039;s all the fault of the Joooos, Arabs don&#039;t have to take responsibility for anything, ever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A pro-Israel president today would be one who prods the Jewish state â€” publicly, continuously and vociferously â€” to create conditions on the West Bank that would allow for the birth of a moderate Palestinian state.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to apologize in advance for the language, but I can&#8217;t think of a better way to put it &#8211; what an absolute crock of stinking horseshit.  What this is all about is trying to protray Obama as Israel&#8217;s &#8220;friend&#8221; while he takes the Jimmy Carter position on the Middle East &#8211; it&#8217;s all the fault of the Joooos, Arabs don&#8217;t have to take responsibility for anything, ever.</p>
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		By: Michael Lonie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Lonie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree Anon.

How about this idea?  To satisfy all the nitwits who accuse Israel of &quot;Apartheid&quot; (which means they don&#039;t know what the term actually means) here is a possible policy for Israel to follow that will use their own ideas of Israel giving up everything to the Arabs.  Israel withdraws from the territories just as it did from Gaza, while keeping the area of East Jerusalem.  It unilaterally declares the PA a legal state and recognizes it as such, over both the West Bank and Gaza.  Fatah and Hamas will inevitably commit terrorist acts of war against Israel.

At that point Israel declares a formal state of war with the independent PA government, citing the UN Charter&#039;s clause about self-defense if attacked.  Zahal goes in and cleans out all the terrorists, PA security forces, and PA government, as well as Hamas in Gaza, as quickly as possible and ignoring all bleats about civilian casualties.  The palestinian Arabs wanted war to the knife, and have been killing Jewish civilians for decades in pursuit of it.  Let them have what they want.

Israel then tells the local tribes and town governments that they are now in charge.  Israel maintains military observation posts at the borders with Egypt and Jordan but no Jewish settlements in the territories.  The newly empowered tribal sheikhs and town governments will be informed in no uncertain terms that complicity in acts of terrorism or other acts of war against Israel, even simply looking the other way rather than stopping them, will get them expelled from the land.  It will be up to them to keep the peace, however they want to do it.  They are not part of Israel and not citizens of Israel, and may not travel freely in Israel.  Don&#039;t like that?  Tough, that&#039;s what you get for wanting the genocidal war with Israel.  Forget about democracy for the Palestinian Arabs, they are not worthy of it.

Yeah, it would give suckers for idiocy like Goldberg conniption fits.  But it does 1) establish an independent state for the Palestinian Arabs (a second one I should say) which all the bedwetters seem to think is more desirable than the security of Israel and its Jewish population and, 2) gets rid of the terrorists in the only way possible, by killing them, with the justification (whether the UN acknowledges it or not) of the UN Charter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Anon.</p>
<p>How about this idea?  To satisfy all the nitwits who accuse Israel of &#8220;Apartheid&#8221; (which means they don&#8217;t know what the term actually means) here is a possible policy for Israel to follow that will use their own ideas of Israel giving up everything to the Arabs.  Israel withdraws from the territories just as it did from Gaza, while keeping the area of East Jerusalem.  It unilaterally declares the PA a legal state and recognizes it as such, over both the West Bank and Gaza.  Fatah and Hamas will inevitably commit terrorist acts of war against Israel.</p>
<p>At that point Israel declares a formal state of war with the independent PA government, citing the UN Charter&#8217;s clause about self-defense if attacked.  Zahal goes in and cleans out all the terrorists, PA security forces, and PA government, as well as Hamas in Gaza, as quickly as possible and ignoring all bleats about civilian casualties.  The palestinian Arabs wanted war to the knife, and have been killing Jewish civilians for decades in pursuit of it.  Let them have what they want.</p>
<p>Israel then tells the local tribes and town governments that they are now in charge.  Israel maintains military observation posts at the borders with Egypt and Jordan but no Jewish settlements in the territories.  The newly empowered tribal sheikhs and town governments will be informed in no uncertain terms that complicity in acts of terrorism or other acts of war against Israel, even simply looking the other way rather than stopping them, will get them expelled from the land.  It will be up to them to keep the peace, however they want to do it.  They are not part of Israel and not citizens of Israel, and may not travel freely in Israel.  Don&#8217;t like that?  Tough, that&#8217;s what you get for wanting the genocidal war with Israel.  Forget about democracy for the Palestinian Arabs, they are not worthy of it.</p>
<p>Yeah, it would give suckers for idiocy like Goldberg conniption fits.  But it does 1) establish an independent state for the Palestinian Arabs (a second one I should say) which all the bedwetters seem to think is more desirable than the security of Israel and its Jewish population and, 2) gets rid of the terrorists in the only way possible, by killing them, with the justification (whether the UN acknowledges it or not) of the UN Charter.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a lot like cooking a frog.

If you put it immediately into boiling
water it knows something is wrong and
reacts violently.

If you put it into luke-warm water
and slowly raise the temperature,
it just kind of sits there and dies.

Now, I&#039;ve never tried cooking a frog.

But I do pay attention to the so-called
news.  

Israel has elected herself a 
government that seemingly likes to 
be slow-cooked.  It&#039;s a democracy
so I guess, by looking at the policies
of her elected leaders, Israel would
like herself to be destroyed.

I just hope I don&#039;t end up feeling the
same way about the United States on
November 5 2008.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a lot like cooking a frog.</p>
<p>If you put it immediately into boiling<br />
water it knows something is wrong and<br />
reacts violently.</p>
<p>If you put it into luke-warm water<br />
and slowly raise the temperature,<br />
it just kind of sits there and dies.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve never tried cooking a frog.</p>
<p>But I do pay attention to the so-called<br />
news.  </p>
<p>Israel has elected herself a<br />
government that seemingly likes to<br />
be slow-cooked.  It&#8217;s a democracy<br />
so I guess, by looking at the policies<br />
of her elected leaders, Israel would<br />
like herself to be destroyed.</p>
<p>I just hope I don&#8217;t end up feeling the<br />
same way about the United States on<br />
November 5 2008.</p>
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		By: Morton A. Goldberg, DVM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morton A. Goldberg, DVM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe it would help to remind Jeffrey Goldberg and those of like mind about the Eleventh Commandment: &quot;Thou shalt not kid thyself.&quot;

(N.B.: Despite the identical last names, he and I are not related!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it would help to remind Jeffrey Goldberg and those of like mind about the Eleventh Commandment: &#8220;Thou shalt not kid thyself.&#8221;</p>
<p>(N.B.: Despite the identical last names, he and I are not related!)</p>
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