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		By: Meryl Yourish		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The comparison of Gitmo and Auschwitz isn&#039;t inappropriate. It is completely wrong. Auschwitz was a prison camp set up for the eventual extermination of Jews. Gitmo is a camp for people who were captured while waging war against the U.S.

The riots in Europe are not about social justice? Not diversity? Really? So why are Muslim &quot;youths&quot; torching cars all over France, Belgium, and other nations in Europe? Why do the &quot;youths&quot; not feel like they are French? Why are there large sections of your inner cities where the police, fireman, and emergency services cannot go for fear of their lives? Firemen? How is it a reflection on social justice that the &quot;youths&quot; try to stone and shoot at people who come to their homes to put out a fire and save lives?

Your Muslim problems are very deep, and there is no comparison with the Jews of the 1930s. Jews were not rioting. Jews were not complaining of &quot;social injustice.&quot; Jews were not burning down your cars and buses and property. It was, in fact, the opposite. The riots were &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt; Jews. Perpetrated by your countrymen, the tolerant and diverse Europeans.

Please. Save the bullshit for someone who will buy it. No sale here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison of Gitmo and Auschwitz isn&#8217;t inappropriate. It is completely wrong. Auschwitz was a prison camp set up for the eventual extermination of Jews. Gitmo is a camp for people who were captured while waging war against the U.S.</p>
<p>The riots in Europe are not about social justice? Not diversity? Really? So why are Muslim &#8220;youths&#8221; torching cars all over France, Belgium, and other nations in Europe? Why do the &#8220;youths&#8221; not feel like they are French? Why are there large sections of your inner cities where the police, fireman, and emergency services cannot go for fear of their lives? Firemen? How is it a reflection on social justice that the &#8220;youths&#8221; try to stone and shoot at people who come to their homes to put out a fire and save lives?</p>
<p>Your Muslim problems are very deep, and there is no comparison with the Jews of the 1930s. Jews were not rioting. Jews were not complaining of &#8220;social injustice.&#8221; Jews were not burning down your cars and buses and property. It was, in fact, the opposite. The riots were <em>against</em> Jews. Perpetrated by your countrymen, the tolerant and diverse Europeans.</p>
<p>Please. Save the bullshit for someone who will buy it. No sale here.</p>
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		By: Ba'al Zevuv		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2007/10/16/3841/comment-page-2#comment-29276</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: #24

I think you&#039;re confusing social justice with diversity, because that&#039;s what the riots were about. They were not about race or religion. The underlying reasons for the situation that led to the riots were many and diverse, and they probably included failure in integrating these people into society. On the whole, racial and religious equality is done a lot better in the US than in Europe. I fear that we&#039;re repeating the mistakes made here in the 30s (and the centuries before that) now, only replacing the jews for the muslims as the cause of society&#039;s problems. This is not limited to Europe, however, and I see much of the same hate or intolerance directed towards muslims coming from the US.

The comparison of Gitmo with Auschwitz was perhaps very inappropriate, but it&#039;s not a holiday resort either. Americans have come to Europe to illegally kidnap people right off our streets. They have run secret prisons on our soil and used our airports and airspace to transport other kidnapped people. These people have no rights, they don&#039;t get a trial, they&#039;re guilty until proven otherwise (how they would prove this I have no idea). Some are flown to countries where torture is used to extract information from them, and you turn a blind eye to it.

Anyway, I&#039;ve got better things to do than lecture people on their wrongdoings. I just wanted to say get off your high horse, or (perhaps from the wrong testament, but fitting nonetheless): &quot;Why do you look at the splinter in your brother&#039;s eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye?&quot; We&#039;re all idiots, it&#039;s part of what makes us humans. It&#039;s when you start claiming you&#039;re not that you get into trouble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #24</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re confusing social justice with diversity, because that&#8217;s what the riots were about. They were not about race or religion. The underlying reasons for the situation that led to the riots were many and diverse, and they probably included failure in integrating these people into society. On the whole, racial and religious equality is done a lot better in the US than in Europe. I fear that we&#8217;re repeating the mistakes made here in the 30s (and the centuries before that) now, only replacing the jews for the muslims as the cause of society&#8217;s problems. This is not limited to Europe, however, and I see much of the same hate or intolerance directed towards muslims coming from the US.</p>
<p>The comparison of Gitmo with Auschwitz was perhaps very inappropriate, but it&#8217;s not a holiday resort either. Americans have come to Europe to illegally kidnap people right off our streets. They have run secret prisons on our soil and used our airports and airspace to transport other kidnapped people. These people have no rights, they don&#8217;t get a trial, they&#8217;re guilty until proven otherwise (how they would prove this I have no idea). Some are flown to countries where torture is used to extract information from them, and you turn a blind eye to it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve got better things to do than lecture people on their wrongdoings. I just wanted to say get off your high horse, or (perhaps from the wrong testament, but fitting nonetheless): &#8220;Why do you look at the splinter in your brother&#8217;s eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye?&#8221; We&#8217;re all idiots, it&#8217;s part of what makes us humans. It&#8217;s when you start claiming you&#8217;re not that you get into trouble.</p>
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		By: Barrie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Australia, also, has always blessed its Jews and been blessed in return, giving a large percentage of them homes after WWII.  
The other day I met my first ever Holocaust survivor - an elderly lady who was in Belsen from 10 years of age, and came to Australia in 1948 [after losing her family.] 
I said &#039;It&#039;s an honour to meet you&#039;.
One of the first things she said was
&#039;I can&#039;t understand why so many people hate the Jews&#039;.  Go Israel!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia, also, has always blessed its Jews and been blessed in return, giving a large percentage of them homes after WWII.<br />
The other day I met my first ever Holocaust survivor &#8211; an elderly lady who was in Belsen from 10 years of age, and came to Australia in 1948 [after losing her family.]<br />
I said &#8216;It&#8217;s an honour to meet you&#8217;.<br />
One of the first things she said was<br />
&#8216;I can&#8217;t understand why so many people hate the Jews&#8217;.  Go Israel!</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Unless Greenglass lied about lying. Highly unlikely.&quot;

Why is it so unlikely? If you think the man lied before a jury, and maintained that lie until the statute of limitations on perjury ran out, what makes you think he won&#039;t lie to sell books?

Plus, VONORA corroborated Ethel&#039;s involvement. You&#039;re mad if you think the feds relied solely on Greenglass&#039;s testimony for a death penalty case.

All this, of course, is nothing more than desperate searching for some hole in what was an airtight case against the Rosenbergs. Sort of the Communist version of JFK conspiracy theories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Unless Greenglass lied about lying. Highly unlikely.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it so unlikely? If you think the man lied before a jury, and maintained that lie until the statute of limitations on perjury ran out, what makes you think he won&#8217;t lie to sell books?</p>
<p>Plus, VONORA corroborated Ethel&#8217;s involvement. You&#8217;re mad if you think the feds relied solely on Greenglass&#8217;s testimony for a death penalty case.</p>
<p>All this, of course, is nothing more than desperate searching for some hole in what was an airtight case against the Rosenbergs. Sort of the Communist version of JFK conspiracy theories.</p>
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		By: Meryl Yourish		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know, someone always does that when I say there&#039;s never been an American pogrom.

I would put Crown Heights under the heading of anti-Semitic attacks. I also think Al Sharpton should have been charged for accessory to murder, but that&#039;s a different story.

I think we can say with certainty, though, that neither the American government nor the government of its states, counties, cities, towns, and villages have ever organized massacres against the Jews of America. You cannot say the same for many European nations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, someone always does that when I say there&#8217;s never been an American pogrom.</p>
<p>I would put Crown Heights under the heading of anti-Semitic attacks. I also think Al Sharpton should have been charged for accessory to murder, but that&#8217;s a different story.</p>
<p>I think we can say with certainty, though, that neither the American government nor the government of its states, counties, cities, towns, and villages have ever organized massacres against the Jews of America. You cannot say the same for many European nations.</p>
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		By: Ursus Maritimus		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2007/10/16/3841/comment-page-1#comment-29215</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And while there has been (and continues to be) anti-Semitism in America, there have never been pogroms&quot;

Crown Heights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And while there has been (and continues to be) anti-Semitism in America, there have never been pogroms&#8221;</p>
<p>Crown Heights.</p>
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		By: LynnB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#44 - Tatt:

Wikipedia?  You &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; kidding, right?  There have been several books written about David Greenglass&#039;s belated confession.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Brother-Untold-Greenglass-Rosenberg-Electric/dp/customer-reviews/0375500138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s one&lt;/a&gt; -- but if you bother to work past the first Google hit you come to you&#039;ll be able to find dozens of sources other than Wikipedia.

So, yes, &quot;know&quot; would be the right word.  Unless Greenglass lied about lying.  Highly unlikely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#44 &#8211; Tatt:</p>
<p>Wikipedia?  You <i>are</i> kidding, right?  There have been several books written about David Greenglass&#8217;s belated confession.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brother-Untold-Greenglass-Rosenberg-Electric/dp/customer-reviews/0375500138" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s one</a> &#8212; but if you bother to work past the first Google hit you come to you&#8217;ll be able to find dozens of sources other than Wikipedia.</p>
<p>So, yes, &#8220;know&#8221; would be the right word.  Unless Greenglass lied about lying.  Highly unlikely.</p>
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		By: corwin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alex Bensky,
I have a couple of comments re&#039;Jews being &quot;smarter as a group&quot;.First,Murray and Herrnsteins work adresses this pretty well.Jews tend to test with a higher average IQ than any other group.
Secondly,there&#039;s a 22 fold over representation among Nobel Laureates for Jews.Speaking as a Gentile and an aetheist,I find this pretty convincing.
And I agree with the comment about anti Semitism being rampant in academia.I don&#039;t have a clue as to why it&#039;s happened.
  Now,an alternative question ,but one that is related .There&#039;s been a lot of turmoil re&#039; whether the US should recognize the Armenian genocide during WWI.I don&#039;t feel it as helpful to the US,and wouldn&#039;t do so.Also,the time to act was 90 tears ago,when we might have been able to save some of those poor people.Still,I realize my feelings about recognizing a Genocide are pragmatic,and people  who have ancestors /family/friends who perished in the second world war genocide may have a different perspective.So,I&#039;d like to hear thoughts from people.
  And Meryl,a small kudos for &quot;the Jews&quot;.
One of the few American heroes during this time was our ambassador to Turkey,a Mr. Henry Morgenthau.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Bensky,<br />
I have a couple of comments re&#8217;Jews being &#8220;smarter as a group&#8221;.First,Murray and Herrnsteins work adresses this pretty well.Jews tend to test with a higher average IQ than any other group.<br />
Secondly,there&#8217;s a 22 fold over representation among Nobel Laureates for Jews.Speaking as a Gentile and an aetheist,I find this pretty convincing.<br />
And I agree with the comment about anti Semitism being rampant in academia.I don&#8217;t have a clue as to why it&#8217;s happened.<br />
  Now,an alternative question ,but one that is related .There&#8217;s been a lot of turmoil re&#8217; whether the US should recognize the Armenian genocide during WWI.I don&#8217;t feel it as helpful to the US,and wouldn&#8217;t do so.Also,the time to act was 90 tears ago,when we might have been able to save some of those poor people.Still,I realize my feelings about recognizing a Genocide are pragmatic,and people  who have ancestors /family/friends who perished in the second world war genocide may have a different perspective.So,I&#8217;d like to hear thoughts from people.<br />
  And Meryl,a small kudos for &#8220;the Jews&#8221;.<br />
One of the few American heroes during this time was our ambassador to Turkey,a Mr. Henry Morgenthau.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the BEGINNING of the Korean War. Argh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the BEGINNING of the Korean War. Argh.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Their espionage sped up the process, perhaps by 3-5 yrs, but the Soviets had an active development program going and would have been able to develop atomic weapons even without the Rosenbergâ€<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />s treason.&quot;

3 - 5 years could have been all that was needed to expose Uncle Joe&#039;s government for the pit of horrors it was. Those years came at the height of the Korean War, and a decisive victory there would have left no North Korea to ship weapons to Syria and Iran.

&quot;We now know that the Rosenbergsâ€<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> conviction was obtained through perjured testimony by Ethel Rosenbergâ€<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />s brother, who was trying to save his own skin.&quot;

Know? Only if you accept Wikipedia as the absolute arbiter of truth. I do not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Their espionage sped up the process, perhaps by 3-5 yrs, but the Soviets had an active development program going and would have been able to develop atomic weapons even without the Rosenbergâ€™s treason.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 &#8211; 5 years could have been all that was needed to expose Uncle Joe&#8217;s government for the pit of horrors it was. Those years came at the height of the Korean War, and a decisive victory there would have left no North Korea to ship weapons to Syria and Iran.</p>
<p>&#8220;We now know that the Rosenbergsâ€™ conviction was obtained through perjured testimony by Ethel Rosenbergâ€™s brother, who was trying to save his own skin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Know? Only if you accept Wikipedia as the absolute arbiter of truth. I do not.</p>
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