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		By: tommy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some geneticists suspect that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaim_language&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karaim&lt;/a&gt;, a small group of Turkic-speaking Karaite Jews from the Baltics and Ukraine, may be descended from the Khazars.  Maybe, but the Karaim might also be descended from later Turkic speakers.

Arthur Koestler&#039;s book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Thirteenth Tribe&lt;/a&gt;, really popularized the Khazar-Ashkenazim theory.  As you note, there is no genetic evidence for it.  

It should be mentioned that while it is   entirely clear from the genetic evidence at hand that Ashkenazic Jews are not descended primarily from the Khazars, the presence of a small amount of Khazar ancestry hasn&#039;t been completely ruled out.  At this point, we simply don&#039;t know much about Khazar genetics (though DNA from Khazar remains may provide answers at some point in the future).  It is possible the Khazars were not as Central Asian genetically as their language suggests.  After all, even the Turks in Turkey don&#039;t cluster closely to other Central Asian populations.  The small number of Turkish invaders from the steppes who overwhelmed Anatolia and Asia Minor were quickly absorbed into the much larger local gene pool.  I would advise caution on matters like this.  In a similar vein, it was thought just a few years ago that Finns had absolutely no Asian ancestry, that they were entirely Scandinavian, in spite of speaking a Uralic language.  Later, more extensive genetic studies changed that view.  The Finns are mostly European but do have a minority Asian component to their ancestry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some geneticists suspect that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaim_language" rel="nofollow">Karaim</a>, a small group of Turkic-speaking Karaite Jews from the Baltics and Ukraine, may be descended from the Khazars.  Maybe, but the Karaim might also be descended from later Turkic speakers.</p>
<p>Arthur Koestler&#8217;s book, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe" rel="nofollow">The Thirteenth Tribe</a>, really popularized the Khazar-Ashkenazim theory.  As you note, there is no genetic evidence for it.  </p>
<p>It should be mentioned that while it is   entirely clear from the genetic evidence at hand that Ashkenazic Jews are not descended primarily from the Khazars, the presence of a small amount of Khazar ancestry hasn&#8217;t been completely ruled out.  At this point, we simply don&#8217;t know much about Khazar genetics (though DNA from Khazar remains may provide answers at some point in the future).  It is possible the Khazars were not as Central Asian genetically as their language suggests.  After all, even the Turks in Turkey don&#8217;t cluster closely to other Central Asian populations.  The small number of Turkish invaders from the steppes who overwhelmed Anatolia and Asia Minor were quickly absorbed into the much larger local gene pool.  I would advise caution on matters like this.  In a similar vein, it was thought just a few years ago that Finns had absolutely no Asian ancestry, that they were entirely Scandinavian, in spite of speaking a Uralic language.  Later, more extensive genetic studies changed that view.  The Finns are mostly European but do have a minority Asian component to their ancestry.</p>
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		By: chsw		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are problems with the explication.  First, the Khazar kingdom was pretty much where southern Ukraine is today, spreading along the north shore of the Black Sea over to the mouth of the Volga, where German tribes originated.  Perhaps this is why ashkenazis spoke Yiddish/Hochdeutsch, because the Khazar kingdom incorporated a German-speaking area.  Second, perhaps only the ruling families were Jewish - a small number - and after the Mongol conquest these families assimilated into both ashkenazi and sefardi Jewry.  Lastly, when the genetic research that showed ashkenazi and sefardi were closely related to each other and to Syrian and Levantine/Palestinian Arabs, the Palestinian news organ said that such news disproved Jewish master race theories (we had them?) as Jews were related to Palestinian Arabs.  Hence, they accepted the Levantine/Palestinian origins of Jews.

All the &quot;khazar&quot; dreck spewed by the Arab media is just more dissemblage and lies.

chsw]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are problems with the explication.  First, the Khazar kingdom was pretty much where southern Ukraine is today, spreading along the north shore of the Black Sea over to the mouth of the Volga, where German tribes originated.  Perhaps this is why ashkenazis spoke Yiddish/Hochdeutsch, because the Khazar kingdom incorporated a German-speaking area.  Second, perhaps only the ruling families were Jewish &#8211; a small number &#8211; and after the Mongol conquest these families assimilated into both ashkenazi and sefardi Jewry.  Lastly, when the genetic research that showed ashkenazi and sefardi were closely related to each other and to Syrian and Levantine/Palestinian Arabs, the Palestinian news organ said that such news disproved Jewish master race theories (we had them?) as Jews were related to Palestinian Arabs.  Hence, they accepted the Levantine/Palestinian origins of Jews.</p>
<p>All the &#8220;khazar&#8221; dreck spewed by the Arab media is just more dissemblage and lies.</p>
<p>chsw</p>
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