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		By: Joseph Hertzlinger		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-9119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Hertzlinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 07:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, the advice for the pre-fat makes sense...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the advice for the pre-fat makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ben F		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8924</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ban tobacco? Like we don&#039;t have enough drug laws already?

Alcohol drunk to excess is harmful to anyone, but no safe threshhold has been identified for fetal alcohol syndrome.

CDC should not have assumed that all menstruating women are engaging in intercourse with men, but I can&#039;t see the objection to the information. 

P.S. I saw the eugenics exhibit at the Holocaust Memorial Museum last month, which included a Nazi poster urging Aryan women not to drink or smoke while pregnant. The bastards didn&#039;t give a damn about what pregnant Jewish or Gypsy women did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ban tobacco? Like we don&#8217;t have enough drug laws already?</p>
<p>Alcohol drunk to excess is harmful to anyone, but no safe threshhold has been identified for fetal alcohol syndrome.</p>
<p>CDC should not have assumed that all menstruating women are engaging in intercourse with men, but I can&#8217;t see the objection to the information. </p>
<p>P.S. I saw the eugenics exhibit at the Holocaust Memorial Museum last month, which included a Nazi poster urging Aryan women not to drink or smoke while pregnant. The bastards didn&#8217;t give a damn about what pregnant Jewish or Gypsy women did.</p>
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		By: Sabba Hillel		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8908</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see the point that you are making.  I find it difficult to notice unless specifically pointed out &lt;strong&gt;because&lt;/strong&gt; I do not think of women as &lt;i&gt;baby making machines&lt;/i&gt; any more than I think of men as the equivalent of a horse being put out to stud. I think that is why the assumption that all women (married or not) are to be assumed to be &quot;at risk&quot; for pregnancy bothered me on the moral level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the point that you are making.  I find it difficult to notice unless specifically pointed out <strong>because</strong> I do not think of women as <i>baby making machines</i> any more than I think of men as the equivalent of a horse being put out to stud. I think that is why the assumption that all women (married or not) are to be assumed to be &#8220;at risk&#8221; for pregnancy bothered me on the moral level.</p>
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		By: Meryl Yourish		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8900</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 15:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben, did you read the article? It said ALL women, from their first menstrual cycle to menopause.

Actually, yes, I do find the warnings on cigarette labels and alcohol offensive. Cigarettes should be outlawed, period. Alcohol, drunk in excess, is harmful to &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; people, not just pregnant women.

I don&#039;t need the federal government treating me like my first and only duty in life is to have babies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, did you read the article? It said ALL women, from their first menstrual cycle to menopause.</p>
<p>Actually, yes, I do find the warnings on cigarette labels and alcohol offensive. Cigarettes should be outlawed, period. Alcohol, drunk in excess, is harmful to <em>all</em> people, not just pregnant women.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need the federal government treating me like my first and only duty in life is to have babies.</p>
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		By: Ben F		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8899</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meryl, the points strike me as valid for sexually active women during their reproductive years. If limited to that context (and shame on CDC if it did not do so), the focus on the fetus is no different here than it is on cigarette package warnings and the labels on wine bottles. Or do you find those objectionable as well? Is it really sexist to presume that many women will care about the health of their future offspring and to offer them relevant information?

On a very remotely related point, the reviews of the third X-men movie are in, and they&#039;re not good. Think &quot;Return of the Jedi&quot;--the weak sister in the trilogy. Among its flaws, it&#039;s reported to be misogynous as all get-out, with Jean Grey/Phoenix presented as something of a succubus who keeps her clothes on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl, the points strike me as valid for sexually active women during their reproductive years. If limited to that context (and shame on CDC if it did not do so), the focus on the fetus is no different here than it is on cigarette package warnings and the labels on wine bottles. Or do you find those objectionable as well? Is it really sexist to presume that many women will care about the health of their future offspring and to offer them relevant information?</p>
<p>On a very remotely related point, the reviews of the third X-men movie are in, and they&#8217;re not good. Think &#8220;Return of the Jedi&#8221;&#8211;the weak sister in the trilogy. Among its flaws, it&#8217;s reported to be misogynous as all get-out, with Jean Grey/Phoenix presented as something of a succubus who keeps her clothes on.</p>
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		By: The Doctor		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8549</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Doctor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never said who was to blame; I was attempting to justify the recommendations on a real world public health basis. Regardless of who&#039;s to blame [and I detect the wily hand of the sinister Fu Manchu at work here] it&#039;s the situation we have to deal with...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said who was to blame; I was attempting to justify the recommendations on a real world public health basis. Regardless of who&#8217;s to blame [and I detect the wily hand of the sinister Fu Manchu at work here] it&#8217;s the situation we have to deal with&#8230;</p>
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		By: Meryl Yourish		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8533</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meryl Yourish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 14:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, it turns out that the WAPO really misreported the CDC intents. Ilyka has &lt;a href=&quot;http://ilyka.mu.nu/archives/177773.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more details&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote the above after reading the news article, but not any of the follow-up.

Doc, if that is the case, then our educational system is partly to blame, and our parenting is partly to blame. Whatever happened to health class? Sex ed? Mother/daughter nights? Hell, I learned about menstruation in fifth grade (and learned how to embarrass boys by talking about it in the very same year, go figure).

No, Sabba Hillel, the insulting part about the article is that it treats women as potential baby machines instead of women. Everything they suggest for the baby&#039;s health would increase the &lt;em&gt;woman&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; health. They might have made that the focus, and added that side benefits would be to have healthy babies in case of unintended pregancy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it turns out that the WAPO really misreported the CDC intents. Ilyka has <a href="http://ilyka.mu.nu/archives/177773.html" rel="nofollow">more details</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote the above after reading the news article, but not any of the follow-up.</p>
<p>Doc, if that is the case, then our educational system is partly to blame, and our parenting is partly to blame. Whatever happened to health class? Sex ed? Mother/daughter nights? Hell, I learned about menstruation in fifth grade (and learned how to embarrass boys by talking about it in the very same year, go figure).</p>
<p>No, Sabba Hillel, the insulting part about the article is that it treats women as potential baby machines instead of women. Everything they suggest for the baby&#8217;s health would increase the <em>woman&#8217;s</em> health. They might have made that the focus, and added that side benefits would be to have healthy babies in case of unintended pregancy.</p>
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		By: Sabba Hillel		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8499</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabba Hillel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The insulting part of this advice is that it assumes that all women (married or not) are &quot;at risk&quot; of becoming pregnant.  This makes an assumption about the lack of morality in our society that ...

I think that you can fill in the rest of the rant appropriately.  Looking at the way people write nowadays, I wonder how we all survived to our current ages.

I do understand &lt;i&gt;Doctor&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s point of view however.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7637/544/640/SabbaHillel.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sabba Hillel&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insulting part of this advice is that it assumes that all women (married or not) are &#8220;at risk&#8221; of becoming pregnant.  This makes an assumption about the lack of morality in our society that &#8230;</p>
<p>I think that you can fill in the rest of the rant appropriately.  Looking at the way people write nowadays, I wonder how we all survived to our current ages.</p>
<p>I do understand <i>Doctor</i>&#8216;s point of view however.</p>
<p><a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7637/544/640/SabbaHillel.jpg" rel="nofollow">Sabba Hillel</a></p>
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		By: The Doctor		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8484</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the other hand, in my industry we are careful to follow the dictum of &quot;all women are pregnant until proven otherwise&quot; because many of the things we do can interfere with a pregnancy. 

With all due respect to all the very competent women out there there&#039;s a high percentage of people coming through my office who are not aware of their cycles, are not very consistent about birth control [&quot;are you sexually active?&quot; &quot;yes&quot; are you using birth control?&quot; &quot;no&quot; &quot;do you want to become pregnant?&quot; &quot;no&quot;] or are just plain reluctant to tell us whether they&#039;re at risk for pregnancy.

I don&#039;t take these guidelines as insulting; I take them as realism. Because a disturbing number of women become pregnant without knowing, don&#039;t find out they&#039;re pregnant until 3-4 months later, and then it&#039;s late in the game to start with folic acid, cigarette and alcohol reduction, and good prenatal care.
I wouldn&#039;t take this as an insult, or as an analogy to &quot;pre-drunk.&quot; It&#039;s a response to a very real and very difficult situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, in my industry we are careful to follow the dictum of &#8220;all women are pregnant until proven otherwise&#8221; because many of the things we do can interfere with a pregnancy. </p>
<p>With all due respect to all the very competent women out there there&#8217;s a high percentage of people coming through my office who are not aware of their cycles, are not very consistent about birth control [&#8220;are you sexually active?&#8221; &#8220;yes&#8221; are you using birth control?&#8221; &#8220;no&#8221; &#8220;do you want to become pregnant?&#8221; &#8220;no&#8221;] or are just plain reluctant to tell us whether they&#8217;re at risk for pregnancy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take these guidelines as insulting; I take them as realism. Because a disturbing number of women become pregnant without knowing, don&#8217;t find out they&#8217;re pregnant until 3-4 months later, and then it&#8217;s late in the game to start with folic acid, cigarette and alcohol reduction, and good prenatal care.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t take this as an insult, or as an analogy to &#8220;pre-drunk.&#8221; It&#8217;s a response to a very real and very difficult situation.</p>
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		By: SnoopyTheGoon		</title>
		<link>https://www.yourish.com/2006/05/23/1301/comment-page-1#comment-8453</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnoopyTheGoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen. And an additional piece of advice to the pre-smokers and pre-drunks: hurry up, folks, you do not know what you are missing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. And an additional piece of advice to the pre-smokers and pre-drunks: hurry up, folks, you do not know what you are missing.</p>
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