Comments on: Ex-Jews

By: Yourish.com » Jewish and Israeli blogger awards

Yourish.com » Jewish and Israeli blogger awards — Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:11:27 +0000

[…] Thank you to the folks who nominated me so I didn’t have to do it myself–except in Best Post, for which I chose Ex-Jews. I expect the comments will start hopping again there, especially with the Jerusalem Post sponsoring the awards this year. […]

By: Herschel

Herschel — Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:52:06 +0000

I agree with what you are saying, but there seems to be a problem with the call out “ex-Jew” to some individuals.
How about using the term “kapo Jew,” because that is what they truly are.
Self loathing Jews joyfully collaborating with the enemy.

By: The Doctor

The Doctor — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:22:15 +0000

Rahel,

You may call them traitors if you wish [I wouldn’t, for reasons already explained]. Just don’t call them “ex-jews.”

By: Ben F

Ben F — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:10:39 +0000

Meryl: They’re ex-Jews.
Ben F: You’re right.
Sabba Hillel: They’re still Jews.
Ben F: You’re right.
Anon: Wait, Meryl and S.H. can’t both be right!
Ben F: You’re also right!

Actually, when push comes to shove, I really really like Meryl’s essay, but I don’t think it’s “right.” Jews are always prone to factionalism, and factionalism can lead to error, which entails forgetting “Kol yisroel arevim ze l’ze” (All Israel is responsible for one another).

Example: Before Israel was created, there were many anti-Zionist Jews. But after the fact, many of those Jews reassessed, because they could not be allies of Jew-killers. This, IMO, was correct.

I still think it’s possible for a Jew to be anti-Zionist, but there is a right way and a wrong way to give expression to that belief. The great prophets warned Israel that transgressions would lead to national disaster, but they did not join with the enemy to bring about that disaster.

This is where I think the “settler movement” showed its greatness this year (or, if you are on the Jewish calendar, last year). It showed that its “ahavat yisroel” was stronger than its “ahavat eretz yisroel.” It did not abandon its factionalism, but neither did it give that factionalism free rein.

By: Rahel

Rahel — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:32:45 +0000

The Doctor,

How about enablers of terrorism and murder against their own people?

These people are worse than fools or idiots. They are traitors.

By: The Doctor

The Doctor — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:19:24 +0000

I must agree with Sabbah Hillel. No matter how much I disagree with their politics, I cannot define a Jew by that. Unless you are willing to lay this same rap on the Satmar Hasidim, who hate Israel because it wasn’t founded by Moshiach, and who blame the Holocaust on Zionists, but are affirmedly and definitely Jews, this won’t fly.

Is a Jew not a Jew because we despise his or her politics? I can’t buy that…because the next issue will be whether they are a Jew based on another political issue, and the next thing you know half the Jews in Israel won’t be Jewish because they disagree with something.

Call them idiots, call them fools, call them anything else, but don’t call them ex-Jews!

By: cond0010

cond0010 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:13:10 +0000

Hi Meryl,

I read your piece on Ex-Jews and thought it very good.

I have felt the same way about many liberals in this country. Still, I always seemed to search for more pieces to the liberal puzzle as this suicidal irrationality inflicts so many people.

I came across another piece to the puzzle that seemed to sate me (some what) better. It is at this link:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/10/why_liberals_ar.html

The Idea of the ‘Envy Deflection Device’ seemes to fit rather nicely. Still, it is no excuse to being a traitor. I hope you like the article and find it as interesting as I did.

John

By: Lil Mamzer

Lil Mamzer — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:29:06 +0000

http://www.masada2000.org/list-S.html

By: Lil Mamzer

Lil Mamzer — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:28:40 +0000

Ex-Jews……

Chomsky
Naomi Klein
Stanley Cohen
Neturei Karta (all 12 of them)
Uri Avneri
Adam Shapiro

By: Elisson

Elisson — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:11:44 +0000

This post should appear on the Op-Ed page of the New York Times…but it won’t.

Well put…and, unfortunately, all too correct.