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	<title>Comments on: Despair and hope / 2001 and 2009</title>
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		<title>By: Dan @ Israeli Uncensored News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan @ Israeli Uncensored News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet Iran won&#039;t counterattack Israel. A few terrorist acts here and there, but no rocket war. Hezbollah and Hamas welcome Iran&#039;s money but won&#039;t fight Iran&#039;s war</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet Iran won&#8217;t counterattack Israel. A few terrorist acts here and there, but no rocket war. Hezbollah and Hamas welcome Iran&#8217;s money but won&#8217;t fight Iran&#8217;s war</p>
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		<title>By: long_rifle</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/10/30/9193/comment-page-1#comment-38253</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why but this just popped into my head.
&quot;Illinois nazis...&quot;
&quot;I hate Illinois nazis...&quot;
(sound of four barrel carb kicking in)
(copious splashing)  Cheers...
I just can&#039;t believe people can be so f&#039;ing blind. That is is going to be allowed to happen. (again)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why but this just popped into my head.</p>
<p>&#8220;Illinois nazis&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I hate Illinois nazis&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>(sound of four barrel carb kicking in)</p>
<p>(copious splashing)  Cheers&#8230;</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t believe people can be so f&#8217;ing blind. That is is going to be allowed to happen. (again)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is one of those situations where, like Czechoslovakia in 1938, we will look back after the war or the foreign policy disasters that amount to the aftermqth of a war, and ask plaintively why didn&#039;t anyone see what Iran having nukes would mean--even if it doesn&#039;t use them on Israel or anyone else, even if simply its possession of such weapons extends its influence at the expense of the west?
The answer, of course, is that plenty of people see it coming but those in power simply can&#039;t shift their worldviews enough to deal with it (the United States) or are too craven to act (Europe).
Fifty years from now I wonder who historians will see as the Churchill of today, the Cassandra of the coming storm?
By the way, J Street opposes sanctions on Iran...not different sanctions but sanctions at all. &quot;Pro-Israel&quot; my sainted aunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is one of those situations where, like Czechoslovakia in 1938, we will look back after the war or the foreign policy disasters that amount to the aftermqth of a war, and ask plaintively why didn&#8217;t anyone see what Iran having nukes would mean&#8211;even if it doesn&#8217;t use them on Israel or anyone else, even if simply its possession of such weapons extends its influence at the expense of the west?</p>
<p>The answer, of course, is that plenty of people see it coming but those in power simply can&#8217;t shift their worldviews enough to deal with it (the United States) or are too craven to act (Europe).</p>
<p>Fifty years from now I wonder who historians will see as the Churchill of today, the Cassandra of the coming storm?</p>
<p>By the way, J Street opposes sanctions on Iran&#8230;not different sanctions but sanctions at all. &#8220;Pro-Israel&#8221; my sainted aunt.</p>
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		<title>By: long_rifle</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/10/30/9193/comment-page-1#comment-38248</link>
		<dc:creator>long_rifle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn....
I just don&#039;t know what to think about Dear Leader and his support of Israel right now.  Now I don&#039;t mean along the lines of his ACTUAL support, we already know he doesn&#039;t give a good dam about Israel.  And will sell it out at any opportunity to hoist his very bad international record onto someones else&#039;s shoulder.
But truly what WOULD he do if Israel attacked Iran?
Iran wants nukes.  Iran wants to nuke Israel.  That is fact.  Iranian leaders have stated as much, so that is beyond reproach.  But how will Iran USE them?  They could launch them on rockets into Israel.  And Israel will have a much clearer path to launch their own back.  Sure, the UN, and Obama, and most of the rest of the world will scream about it.  But Israel will still be able to defend herself, and history will see it as just.  Plus the other &quot;moderate&quot; muslim countries will have an out saying, &quot;Well Iran started it.&quot;  We all know they fear Iran more then Israel, and as long as they can keep their own &quot;moderates&quot; moderate they will be happy to see Iran taken down a notch.
But why wouldn&#039;t Iran just GIVE the nukes to Hamas, or one of their other lackyes in the region?  So when it goes off, Iran can say, with a sparkle in their eyes, &quot;It wasn&#039;t us?  It must have been the one armed man!&quot;
Of course the world will know what happened, but it would give Obama and his like the out they need to tell Israel to stop any retaliation, that they need to investigate what &quot;really&quot; happened.
Of course Israel will attack anyways.  And Iran (what&#039;s left of it, strangely all it&#039;s leaders were already in bunkers, but that will be over looked) will scream that it&#039;s wrong, will press the UN to sanction Israel.  Which it will do .25 seconds later.  Iran will call for the destruction of Israel, and it, and it&#039;s lackyes will attack.  Fearing terrorism, most Muslim countries will assist, either openly with military assistance, or with roadblocks in the UN.
Israel asks the United States and NATO for help, and this is were I hit a wall...  Obama sees ALL his support on the left fall as he takes us into a REAL WWII-like war, with thousands of troops, and innocent civilians killed monthly, or he keeps the left, and alienates the (rich, money donating) Jewish vote?  Plus the majority of the voters that STILL support Israel toady.  Seeing how he doesn&#039;t give a dam about the majority of the voters now says a lot.
I just don&#039;t know.  I know all his decisions are based on politics, and polls.  But both tacks seem bad to me.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn&#8230;.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t know what to think about Dear Leader and his support of Israel right now.  Now I don&#8217;t mean along the lines of his ACTUAL support, we already know he doesn&#8217;t give a good dam about Israel.  And will sell it out at any opportunity to hoist his very bad international record onto someones else&#8217;s shoulder.  </p>
<p>But truly what WOULD he do if Israel attacked Iran?</p>
<p>Iran wants nukes.  Iran wants to nuke Israel.  That is fact.  Iranian leaders have stated as much, so that is beyond reproach.  But how will Iran USE them?  They could launch them on rockets into Israel.  And Israel will have a much clearer path to launch their own back.  Sure, the UN, and Obama, and most of the rest of the world will scream about it.  But Israel will still be able to defend herself, and history will see it as just.  Plus the other &#8220;moderate&#8221; muslim countries will have an out saying, &#8220;Well Iran started it.&#8221;  We all know they fear Iran more then Israel, and as long as they can keep their own &#8220;moderates&#8221; moderate they will be happy to see Iran taken down a notch.</p>
<p>But why wouldn&#8217;t Iran just GIVE the nukes to Hamas, or one of their other lackyes in the region?  So when it goes off, Iran can say, with a sparkle in their eyes, &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t us?  It must have been the one armed man!&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course the world will know what happened, but it would give Obama and his like the out they need to tell Israel to stop any retaliation, that they need to investigate what &#8220;really&#8221; happened.</p>
<p>Of course Israel will attack anyways.  And Iran (what&#8217;s left of it, strangely all it&#8217;s leaders were already in bunkers, but that will be over looked) will scream that it&#8217;s wrong, will press the UN to sanction Israel.  Which it will do .25 seconds later.  Iran will call for the destruction of Israel, and it, and it&#8217;s lackyes will attack.  Fearing terrorism, most Muslim countries will assist, either openly with military assistance, or with roadblocks in the UN.  </p>
<p>Israel asks the United States and NATO for help, and this is were I hit a wall&#8230;  Obama sees ALL his support on the left fall as he takes us into a REAL WWII-like war, with thousands of troops, and innocent civilians killed monthly, or he keeps the left, and alienates the (rich, money donating) Jewish vote?  Plus the majority of the voters that STILL support Israel toady.  Seeing how he doesn&#8217;t give a dam about the majority of the voters now says a lot.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t know.  I know all his decisions are based on politics, and polls.  But both tacks seem bad to me.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/10/30/9193/comment-page-1#comment-38244</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very easy to say this safe in my home in Ferndale, Michigan, but I hope the Israelis realize that the US not only is no help for the next three years (at best) but will actively take steps against Israel if it hits the Iranian facilities. But given the potential of the threat...even no nukes on Tel Aviv doesn&#039;t mean that a nuclear-armed Iran won&#039;t expand its influence and threat widely...I hope the Israelis&#039; only concern is whether they can strike effectively, not should they strike.
Or perhaps they could offer the hand of friendship, a la Obama. Look how effective that&#039;s been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very easy to say this safe in my home in Ferndale, Michigan, but I hope the Israelis realize that the US not only is no help for the next three years (at best) but will actively take steps against Israel if it hits the Iranian facilities. But given the potential of the threat&#8230;even no nukes on Tel Aviv doesn&#8217;t mean that a nuclear-armed Iran won&#8217;t expand its influence and threat widely&#8230;I hope the Israelis&#8217; only concern is whether they can strike effectively, not should they strike.</p>
<p>Or perhaps they could offer the hand of friendship, a la Obama. Look how effective that&#8217;s been.</p>
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