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		<title>By: Tatterdemalian</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37826</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatterdemalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What can they possibly gain from doing these things?&quot;
A world in which they can hold themselves above the law. Not even the President of the United States can do that, only dictators of third world countries can. To some people, the risk of being a slave in such a failed state is worth the tiny chance of becoming its king.
&quot;Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.&quot; - Lucifer</description>
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<p>A world in which they can hold themselves above the law. Not even the President of the United States can do that, only dictators of third world countries can. To some people, the risk of being a slave in such a failed state is worth the tiny chance of becoming its king.</p>
<p>&#8220;Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.&#8221; &#8211; Lucifer</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37820</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commend Rabbi Rosen for unusual honesty and forthrightness.
He makes it very clear, in fact spells it out, that it&#039;s a problem for him when Israeli actions cause him embarrassment when he&#039;s with his progressive friends and thus he exacts from Israel a high (and unattainable) standard of behavior, short of which he can show that by golly he&#039;s not one of those chauvinistic Jews who is a reactive defender of Israel.
I commend him, as I say, for honesty, but not for much else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend Rabbi Rosen for unusual honesty and forthrightness.</p>
<p>He makes it very clear, in fact spells it out, that it&#8217;s a problem for him when Israeli actions cause him embarrassment when he&#8217;s with his progressive friends and thus he exacts from Israel a high (and unattainable) standard of behavior, short of which he can show that by golly he&#8217;s not one of those chauvinistic Jews who is a reactive defender of Israel.</p>
<p>I commend him, as I say, for honesty, but not for much else.</p>
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		<title>By: olga</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37790</link>
		<dc:creator>olga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Dr. Siderer who feels humiliated and angree by the final report of Mr. Golstone.
This report is one sided and it doesn&#039;t mention that the Hamas has been using the Gaza Strip as a launching pad for its terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians with an ever increasing intensity and geographical range, causing ingeries and trauma among the civilians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Dr. Siderer who feels humiliated and angree by the final report of Mr. Golstone.<br />
This report is one sided and it doesn&#8217;t mention that the Hamas has been using the Gaza Strip as a launching pad for its terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians with an ever increasing intensity and geographical range, causing ingeries and trauma among the civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37784</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American, a Jew, and Northwestern graduate I urge Goldstone, Brant Rosen, the Reconstructionists, Evanston, and The Chicago Tribune to resolutely bite me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American, a Jew, and Northwestern graduate I urge Goldstone, Brant Rosen, the Reconstructionists, Evanston, and The Chicago Tribune to resolutely bite me.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37781</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a Reconstructionist? Feh. They&#039;re barely Jews. Reform congregations are way more religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a Reconstructionist? Feh. They&#8217;re barely Jews. Reform congregations are way more religious.</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œBrant Rosen is the rabbi of the Jewish Reconstructionist Congregation in Evanstonâ€; Another useful utopian idiot, probably has a group of ten likeminded fools making up his kapo group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œBrant Rosen is the rabbi of the Jewish Reconstructionist Congregation in Evanstonâ€; Another useful utopian idiot, probably has a group of ten likeminded fools making up his kapo group.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolina</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37776</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any hope for our world? I am no longer certain that there is. There is simply too much evil.  People willing to say anything. People willing to DO anything. All to promote fear and hatred among all humans. Why? What can they possibly gain from doing these things? There WILL be a &#039;day of reckoning&#039; for us all, but not soon enough to save our world, I fear. Such hatred as we now see has NEVER, in the history of the world, been seen before. It is now brother against brother, child against parent, parent against child, even husband against wife, and vice-versa. How have we come to this? What evils have been loosed upon the earth, and how? Does any rational being feel any hope remains? What can we do? I want to help, as many do, but the opposition is far too powerful and widespread. If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them. Even if only to help me understand how we have fallen so far, in such a short span of time. All I can do is pray, but is G_D even willing to hear us any longer, or has He turned his face against us in despair? What say you all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any hope for our world? I am no longer certain that there is. There is simply too much evil.  People willing to say anything. People willing to DO anything. All to promote fear and hatred among all humans. Why? What can they possibly gain from doing these things? There WILL be a &#8216;day of reckoning&#8217; for us all, but not soon enough to save our world, I fear. Such hatred as we now see has NEVER, in the history of the world, been seen before. It is now brother against brother, child against parent, parent against child, even husband against wife, and vice-versa. How have we come to this? What evils have been loosed upon the earth, and how? Does any rational being feel any hope remains? What can we do? I want to help, as many do, but the opposition is far too powerful and widespread. If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them. Even if only to help me understand how we have fallen so far, in such a short span of time. All I can do is pray, but is G_D even willing to hear us any longer, or has He turned his face against us in despair? What say you all?</p>
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		<title>By: Sabba Hillel</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37775</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabba Hillel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Rosen uses the Hebrew term &quot;cheshbon hanefesh&quot; to give a religious patina to his blatantly political argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, while he uses the term, he does not actually perform the action. Chesbon Hanefesh means being completely honest and understanding not only what is done, but the flaws that led to that action. Before a person can ask forgiveness, he must first acknowledge exactly what he did wrong. When the sin involves other people, he must make a complete and sincere confession and ask mechila (forgiveness) from the person that he has wronged.
That is why &quot;Lashon Hara&quot; (evil speech - though it is true) and rechilus or motzi shem ra (slander - which is false) are among the most difficult sins to atone for. The analogy is releasing a bag of feathers over the Grand Canyon and then trying to retrieve them. Every one who has heard the slanders, even if they did not believe them, must be approached and the results of the slander canceled.
I find that I cannot call the author of the screed &quot;rabbi&quot; Rosen (the lower case r is deliberate). His pretense that the slanderers that goldstone used as &quot;authorities&quot; are credible or &quot;respected&quot; is laughable to say the least. The comments by such really honest and respected bloggers as &lt;a href=&quot;http://daledamos.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;daledamos&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elderofzion&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;israelmatzav&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yidwithlid&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a&gt;soccerdad&lt;/a&gt; himself among so many others have shown that the only true things that goldstone put into the report were the names of the participants in the travesty and the fact that something happened in Gaza.
In the Yom Kippur prayers we ask for forgiveness for all the sins that we, and any members of our community, &lt;b&gt;might&lt;/b&gt; have done. I am sure that we (as individuals) have not committed most of the sins that we have read, but we ask forgiveness because of the fact that someone in the Am Yisrael (people of Israel) &lt;b&gt;could&lt;/b&gt; have done so. In this case, &quot;rabbi&quot; rosen and &quot;judge&quot; goldstone need to reread the prayers and ask for forgiveness of the people that they have slandered.
Someone who is in a position to judge and judges falsely is considered as he he helped destroy the world. This is both someone who condemns the innocent as well as one who frees the guilty. The &quot;goldstone report&quot; is guilty of both. As a result, Rosen has committed the crime of &quot;Chillul Hashem&quot; (desecration of G-d&#039;s Name) by leading someone who does not know the facts to think that he is speaking as a &quot;rabbi&quot;.
After Yom Kippur, we ask for forgiveness as part of the post Yom Kippur prayer. It is a common question, why do we include the request immediately after Yom Kippur, when we have just gone through the full Day of Atonement. One answer might be to look at these two people, who have refused to atone for the sins that they committed. Maimonides says that those who refuse to admit that the sins that they have committed were wrong in the first place &lt;b&gt;cannot&lt;/b&gt; atone. While this occurs, we cannot wash the stain of the sin from our souls. We are all affected by the sins of commission and omission exemplified by the &quot;goldstone report&quot; and its defenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rosen uses the Hebrew term &#8220;cheshbon hanefesh&#8221; to give a religious patina to his blatantly political argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, while he uses the term, he does not actually perform the action. Chesbon Hanefesh means being completely honest and understanding not only what is done, but the flaws that led to that action. Before a person can ask forgiveness, he must first acknowledge exactly what he did wrong. When the sin involves other people, he must make a complete and sincere confession and ask mechila (forgiveness) from the person that he has wronged.</p>
<p>That is why &#8220;Lashon Hara&#8221; (evil speech &#8211; though it is true) and rechilus or motzi shem ra (slander &#8211; which is false) are among the most difficult sins to atone for. The analogy is releasing a bag of feathers over the Grand Canyon and then trying to retrieve them. Every one who has heard the slanders, even if they did not believe them, must be approached and the results of the slander canceled. </p>
<p>I find that I cannot call the author of the screed &#8220;rabbi&#8221; Rosen (the lower case r is deliberate). His pretense that the slanderers that goldstone used as &#8220;authorities&#8221; are credible or &#8220;respected&#8221; is laughable to say the least. The comments by such really honest and respected bloggers as <a href="http://daledamos.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">daledamos</a>, <a href="http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">elderofzion</a>, <a href="http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">israelmatzav</a>, <a href="http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">yidwithlid</a>, and <a>soccerdad</a> himself among so many others have shown that the only true things that goldstone put into the report were the names of the participants in the travesty and the fact that something happened in Gaza.</p>
<p>In the Yom Kippur prayers we ask for forgiveness for all the sins that we, and any members of our community, <b>might</b> have done. I am sure that we (as individuals) have not committed most of the sins that we have read, but we ask forgiveness because of the fact that someone in the Am Yisrael (people of Israel) <b>could</b> have done so. In this case, &#8220;rabbi&#8221; rosen and &#8220;judge&#8221; goldstone need to reread the prayers and ask for forgiveness of the people that they have slandered.</p>
<p>Someone who is in a position to judge and judges falsely is considered as he he helped destroy the world. This is both someone who condemns the innocent as well as one who frees the guilty. The &#8220;goldstone report&#8221; is guilty of both. As a result, Rosen has committed the crime of &#8220;Chillul Hashem&#8221; (desecration of G-d&#8217;s Name) by leading someone who does not know the facts to think that he is speaking as a &#8220;rabbi&#8221;.</p>
<p>After Yom Kippur, we ask for forgiveness as part of the post Yom Kippur prayer. It is a common question, why do we include the request immediately after Yom Kippur, when we have just gone through the full Day of Atonement. One answer might be to look at these two people, who have refused to atone for the sins that they committed. Maimonides says that those who refuse to admit that the sins that they have committed were wrong in the first place <b>cannot</b> atone. While this occurs, we cannot wash the stain of the sin from our souls. We are all affected by the sins of commission and omission exemplified by the &#8220;goldstone report&#8221; and its defenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankev</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37773</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to one report, there is footage of Goldstone actually sleeping during the testimony of another missile victim from Sderot. There&#039;s objectivity for you.
I imagine if someone wrote a report on the bombing of Japan and started at Nagasaki, ignoring Pearl Harbor and everything Japan did in Manchuria, Burma and the Phillipines, he might come to a similar conclusion about the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to one report, there is footage of Goldstone actually sleeping during the testimony of another missile victim from Sderot. There&#8217;s objectivity for you.</p>
<p>I imagine if someone wrote a report on the bombing of Japan and started at Nagasaki, ignoring Pearl Harbor and everything Japan did in Manchuria, Burma and the Phillipines, he might come to a similar conclusion about the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2009/09/29/8938/comment-page-1#comment-37770</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did volunteer work in Sderot for three months, in 2007. A couple of months after I came back to England, the bedroom of a thirteen year old girl I taught English to was hit directly by a rocket fired from Gaza. She was in the house at the time, along with her mother and sister. Can you imagine the trauma that this kid and her family went through? A thirteen year old girl&#039;s bedroom - her personal sanctuary - destroyed, for nothing. How sick is that? Where is the outrage? You won&#039;t find it in the lip-service of the Goldstone report, that&#039;s for sure. The United Nations can go to hell. I will never know how Richard Goldstone sleeps at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did volunteer work in Sderot for three months, in 2007. A couple of months after I came back to England, the bedroom of a thirteen year old girl I taught English to was hit directly by a rocket fired from Gaza. She was in the house at the time, along with her mother and sister. Can you imagine the trauma that this kid and her family went through? A thirteen year old girl&#8217;s bedroom &#8211; her personal sanctuary &#8211; destroyed, for nothing. How sick is that? Where is the outrage? You won&#8217;t find it in the lip-service of the Goldstone report, that&#8217;s for sure. The United Nations can go to hell. I will never know how Richard Goldstone sleeps at night.</p>
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