Comments on: When self-defense is a holocaust or the continued rantings of Roger Cohen http://www.yourish.com/2009/04/20/7232 Cutting straight to the point Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:51:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: David M http://www.yourish.com/2009/04/20/7232/comment-page-1#comment-36490 David M Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:31:13 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=7232#comment-36490 The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://www.thunderrun.us/2009/04/web-reconnaissance-for-04212009.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 04/21/2009 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often. The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 04/21/2009 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.yourish.com/2009/04/20/7232/comment-page-1#comment-36481 Andrew Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:29:00 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=7232#comment-36481 I think the "one", in that brief snippet, refers to Israel, not "the crime." "In the German mirror stands Israel, another vibrant democracy birthed from the crime, albeit one..." The "one" is Israel's vibrant democracy, I think. I'm of this opinion largely because calling Israel itself a crime is beyond Cohen's usual shtick. He clearly believes himself an honest friend of Israel who criticizes (and castigates) because he loves. He "supports" Israel, in his own way. In his mind, everything he's written in the new year has been to further the cause of Israel's long-term security. So he'll praise Israel as a vibrant democracy, but note that it hasn't found peaceful co-existence and imply that the country deserves a large, if not majority, share of the blame for that. But he won't say that the founding of Israel itself was a crime. I think the “one”, in that brief snippet, refers to Israel, not “the crime.” “In the German mirror stands Israel, another vibrant democracy birthed from the crime, albeit one…” The “one” is Israel’s vibrant democracy, I think.

I’m of this opinion largely because calling Israel itself a crime is beyond Cohen’s usual shtick. He clearly believes himself an honest friend of Israel who criticizes (and castigates) because he loves. He “supports” Israel, in his own way. In his mind, everything he’s written in the new year has been to further the cause of Israel’s long-term security. So he’ll praise Israel as a vibrant democracy, but note that it hasn’t found peaceful co-existence and imply that the country deserves a large, if not majority, share of the blame for that. But he won’t say that the founding of Israel itself was a crime.

]]> By: soccer dad http://www.yourish.com/2009/04/20/7232/comment-page-1#comment-36480 soccer dad Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:07:54 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=7232#comment-36480 Andrew, I did consider that reading of the line. And despite the "vibrant democracy" line, I couldn't get past this: "the crime, albeit one, unlike Germany, that has not found peaceful coexistence." 1) He seems to be saying that Israel's crime is different from Germany's. 2) He seems to be saying that Israel's crime has not resulted in "peaceful co-existence." Maybe I'm misreading him. But his formulation was, at least sloppy and easily mis-read, even if his intention is what you write. David Andrew,

I did consider that reading of the line. And despite the “vibrant democracy” line, I couldn’t get past this:
“the crime, albeit one, unlike Germany, that has not found peaceful coexistence.”

1) He seems to be saying that Israel’s crime is different from Germany’s.
2) He seems to be saying that Israel’s crime has not resulted in “peaceful co-existence.”

Maybe I’m misreading him. But his formulation was, at least sloppy and easily mis-read, even if his intention is what you write.

David

]]> By: Andrew http://www.yourish.com/2009/04/20/7232/comment-page-1#comment-36479 Andrew Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:50:23 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=7232#comment-36479 I'm not terribly interested in defending Roger Cohen's recent obsession with Iran and criticizing Israel. But I do think you mis-read that early paragraph. Cohen isn't claiming that Israel was birthed from A crime, he's saying Israel was birthed from THE crime. His first few paragraphs referred to a vibrant new Germany born out of the ashes of the Holocaust, and the paragraph you've highlighted says that Israel, another vibrant democracy, is a fruit of the same tree. He's not calling the creation of Israel a crime. I’m not terribly interested in defending Roger Cohen’s recent obsession with Iran and criticizing Israel. But I do think you mis-read that early paragraph. Cohen isn’t claiming that Israel was birthed from A crime, he’s saying Israel was birthed from THE crime. His first few paragraphs referred to a vibrant new Germany born out of the ashes of the Holocaust, and the paragraph you’ve highlighted says that Israel, another vibrant democracy, is a fruit of the same tree. He’s not calling the creation of Israel a crime.

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