Four out of ten. That’s not localized. That’s a major problem throughout the population. Saying it isn’t doesn’t make it so.

Do you get my point yet?

The lynchings in the American south weren’t taking place in the north. This poll was ALL of the U.K. Your example is flawed. However, there was a problem in all of the U.S., for quite some time. It’s only recently that it’s been pounded into the minority view.

The reverse appears to be happening across the pond.

no I didn’t miss it, I was turning it around.

again, in my view, too much hyperbole “That is a very big problem with anti-Semitism throughout Britain. “

that is not how it comes out when you RESIDE there, throughout Britain is like saying lynching in the American South indicate that there was a problem throughout the US of A?

I would agree there IS a problem with anti-Israel sentiment, generated in part by the media and political groupings

there IS a problem with recent racially motivated attacks, but to THEN go on and say that ALL Brits (because that’s what is implied by your comments) have a serious problem with Jews is misleading, IMO.

it might get to that, not sure, but we are NOT there yet

don’t see you my point?

That is not a localized problem. That is a very big problem with anti-Semitism throughout Britain. Or are you saying that the survey was flawed? That’s a different story entirely, and will require cites.

Sorry, but you are conflating EUROPE with Britain, and seemingly assuming that attitudes are the same, which is a bit like comparing US and Mexican attitudes.

They are not the same. Different societies. Different media and political structures.

And according to the SURVEY, 60% think that is not the case, so it depends on how you read the survey and what emphasis is put on what.

I won’t deny that anti-Israel attitudes are a problem, but the vast majority of people don’t seem to subscribe to the most negative stereo types of Jews, in much the same way the political and social culture in DC is very different from Ohio or Texas, even though they are in the same country.

So taking a snapshot of DC and saying that IS American attitudes would be misleading. Similarly, European attitudes are not British ones.

The influence of the media and London-centric culture tends to dominate and paint a slanted picture, in my view.

I think there is a problem but it is more localised than the survey presents.

I don’t think I’m exaggerating British anti-Semitism. It’s a good thing that there’s been a decline. But four out of ten Brits still think that British Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the U.K. That’s not much better than five out of ten.

“The United Kingdom was the only country in which there was a
marked decline in the percentage of respondents who believe that at
least three of the four anti-Semitic stereotypes are “probably true.” ”

counterpoise that with above JP quote:

“Asked to respond to the statement “Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own country,” the survey found that 50 percent of U.K. respondents replied “probably true,” up from 39 percent two years ago.”

I suspect that is the influence of the media which is fairly anti-Israel.

So I’d suggest that much of the anti-Jewish racism in Britain is driven (or helped along) by the coverage of the Middle East (there’s a LOT) and the British elite’s antagonism towards Israel.

but if I find a survey which suggests that say, 51% of American have a good or mild view of neo-Nazis, would that mean that ALL Americans are pro-Nazi?

of course, not.

taking that approach, I am not suggesting there is not a problem in Britain, but that it is possible to read TOO much into a survey, which is by its nature a SAMPLING of people.

further, too many people in Europe generalise about North Americans as Gun Nuts and bigots, I disagree with that too, but I’ll bet a few surveys might, just might, point in that direction?

but it would be wrong to apply that limited view of North Americans to ALL of them

the same holds true of Brits :)

again, I am NOT saying that anti-Jewish racism in the UK is not a problem, but exaggerating it doesn’t help

PS: The “Jews to the Gas” was in Holland, not Britain, another country entirely.

Anti-Semitism is a huge problem in the U.K., and it’s getting worse.

fair point about the survey, but it is extending it too far to then say “the Brits are so anti-Israel”, covering the whole of the population, in one sweeping generalisation

I am sure that searching around I could find a few strange surveys on American attitudes, but I wouldn’t be so bold as to suggest that ALL Americans hold such views

I am not suggesting there isn’t a problem, rather it is more localised than such a survey might point to, amongst a section of the elites and dominated by the London media.

As a Christian and a veteran, I consider my loyalty to God and the church more important than my loyalty to my country. If protestants had some kind of nation-state somewhere, I would refuse to fight against that state. If the US were ever to attack the Vatican (very unlikely, of course), I would support the idea of Catholics refusing to fight.

When I was a tyke living on an Army base, our next door neighbors were a Jewish family. When the Yom Kippur war started, the father went AWOL and flew to Israel to join the army there. When he returned, he was brought up on charges for leaving, but the jury unanimously found him innocent. My father was his defense counsel.

Some might call this attitude “divisive” or “balkanizing”, but I don’t see it that way.