Comments on: Firming up the narrative: Israel can’t win

By: Paul H

Paul H — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:16:29 +0000

I read all the Anti Israeli remarks and I wonder why Hamas gets a pass on the daily killing, or the daily venom that they spew out of their mouths.
There is plenty of people talking about civilians being killed, or the school that got shot at, but what about the cowardly Hamas, or terrorist that are hiding among those civilians or hiding in that school using it as a shield, or a launching pad for their killing.
Do you think that the United States Military, or Israel would hide among it’s citizens? No they would evacuate any zone that was going to be a battle ground.
Israel is fighting an ugly enemy, with ugly tactics, so some nasty things are going to happen. If you want to kill the enemy, or flush them out you have to go where they are, if they are hiding among citizens, and they get killed because of that then it is Hamas’s fault, not Israels.

By: Jessica

Jessica — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:58:09 +0000

another headline that shows exactly the angle the media is working at is the one i saw earlier today at Yahoo:

Israel ignores world calls for truce against “terror”

“terror”, eh? what, do they not believe its really terror? or do they think its really noble resistance, and are mocking the idea that firing rockets at civilians is really terrorism?

By: David

David — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:55:30 +0000

Eventually, when this fight will be over,

Hamas will declare victory.

no matter that there will be hundreds of Gazans dead and thousands will be wounded. Their homes will be destroyed infrastructures demolished.

They will still declare victory.

The world cares more about civilian lives in Gaza than Hamas.

the more civilians will die the more wounded there will be on their side the bigger their victory will be.

Because winning the war has different meaning to Hamas than the rest of the world.

Pity the Palestinians for having such leaders.

Any civilized society strives to protect their civilians from harms way, except Hamas.

By: JohnRJ08

JohnRJ08 — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:47:39 +0000

This is what Nizar Rayan, the recently killed Hamas leader in Gaza, said in an interview BEFORE the beginning of the current conflict:

“The only reason to have a hudna (cease-fire) is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don’t need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel. There is no chance that true Islam would ever allow a Jewish state to survive in the Muslim Middle East. Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God. … You (Jews) are murderers of the prophets and you have closed your ears to the Messenger of Allah. Jews tried to kill the Prophet, peace be unto him. All throughout history, you have stood in opposition to the word of God.”

How do you negotiate real peace with an adversary like Rayan? It’s not possible. We are talking about a faction of Islam that has, for all intents and purposes, gone insane.

By: Vaultenblogger

Vaultenblogger — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:14:02 +0000

At least CNN hasn’t printed Hamas leaders obituaries yet, like the Guardian. Yet.

By: barbara

barbara — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:33:47 +0000

What is up with our country? Must we continually kow-tow to those muslims who have the money to come to this country and leave their own countries behind only to protest here after having done nothing to improve their standing in the world? It’s always easy to protest from America. When 9/11 happened, America went so far as to launch a war on Iraq when it has never been proven that they had WMD’s or had anything to do with 9/11. Were innocent civilians killed in this war? Most definitely, and yet when Israel launches a defense against a barrage of visible missile attacks, the muslims of the world cry foul! Why is Israel to blame for defending itself? Are we trying to say that lives lost in Israel are not as important as lives in Gaza? Why don’t the people of Gaza try, for once, to gain respect in the region and turn their existence into something positive? Gaza is like the schoolyard bully who, when the tables are turned, go whining to their mothers about how they’ve been wronged! Can they convince us that they know nothing about terrorist groups in their territory who espouse violence from their schoolyard play structure training bases? Hamas and other terrorist groups are responsible for their bleak lives, not Israel and certainly not the rest of the world. Must we continually be told that the ways of the terrorist are not the ways of muslim teachings – this argument does not work considering the terrorist seems to be in control and their followers simply allow these ways to continue! To listen to any authorities of the muslim world, you would think that all was peaceful in their “shangrilas” until Israel fired on them. Awwwww! Go cry to your mothers or, better yet, throw some shoes – that really helps!

By: David M

David M — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:56:32 +0000

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By: henry

henry — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:39:23 +0000

I think the Bush and most arab state has done well to be patience with Israel to finish the job since Hamas want it this way.Its a shame that they are using civilian as shield so the world can think otherwise.
The westhern media are complaining that Israel didn`t allow them into Gaza but Israel has learn lesson from the past when they will keep track of Israelis army,giving their enemy the advantage.This time around Hamas and it supporter will not have their way.

By: rick

rick — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:18:55 +0000

The media is passing opinions as facts. Gaza represents a unique problem in that their leaders are willing to sacrifice their followers in order to fire rockets into Israel.

Eventually Israel can stop all the rockets, even if it means taking control of the entire territory again. Unfortunately Hamas may make that necessary if the citizens of Gaza can’t remove them from power.

The rest of the world may be sympathetic to the Gazans, but world opinion means nothing- only actions make any difference and no one is willing to come to the aid of Hamas.

I think it would be better for Gaza to reject Hamas and the new Israeli strategy is making the choice quite clear. Keep Hamas in power and consign your lives to perpetual war. Reject Hamas and live in peace.

Stupid, selfish, inconsiderate leaders should be removed, preferably by their former followers. That is how Fatah become peaceful. If I was in Gaza, I would think I got a raw deal, considering how prosperous the West Bank is getting!

By: Alex Bensky

Alex Bensky — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:22:34 +0000

Golly, Israel can’t end the problem, or at least reduce it to tolerable levels, by military means alone?

But I seem to remember not too many years ago people assuring Israel that they couldn’t suppress the intifada by military means alone and military means plus a fence did seem to do the trick.