Comments on: The moral Disneyland revisited http://www.yourish.com/2009/01/02/5895 Cutting straight to the point Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:14:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Michael Lonie http://www.yourish.com/2009/01/02/5895/comment-page-1#comment-35311 Michael Lonie Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:21:57 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5895#comment-35311 If the Arabs see Hamas as losers the recruits will not come. If they see Hamas as winners they will come. Arabs (and not just Arabs) operate according to an old Russian proverb: "We are right who are with the strong." Strong in this case means not just physically, but strong in willpower. All too often Israel (and the US) can plausibly be portrayed as lacking the will to fight. So the case can be made that the "spititual strength" of our enemies will prevail over the cowardly and spineless infidels. We have faced this before, in the Japanese, who used exactly the same argument for the superiority of Japanese soldiers and society over American. What this means is that you have to kill enough of the enemy and occupy his ground so that not even the most delusional of them can make a case for victory, however crazy. Hamas wanted the war and Hamas made war for years until Israel hit back. And all those Palis who supported Hamas wanted war too. Now they have it. I wish them joy of what they wished for. They wanted total war, now give it to them. If the Arabs see Hamas as losers the recruits will not come. If they see Hamas as winners they will come. Arabs (and not just Arabs) operate according to an old Russian proverb: “We are right who are with the strong.” Strong in this case means not just physically, but strong in willpower. All too often Israel (and the US) can plausibly be portrayed as lacking the will to fight. So the case can be made that the “spititual strength” of our enemies will prevail over the cowardly and spineless infidels.

We have faced this before, in the Japanese, who used exactly the same argument for the superiority of Japanese soldiers and society over American. What this means is that you have to kill enough of the enemy and occupy his ground so that not even the most delusional of them can make a case for victory, however crazy.

Hamas wanted the war and Hamas made war for years until Israel hit back. And all those Palis who supported Hamas wanted war too. Now they have it. I wish them joy of what they wished for. They wanted total war, now give it to them.

]]> By: Lefty http://www.yourish.com/2009/01/02/5895/comment-page-1#comment-35244 Lefty Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:43:38 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5895#comment-35244 I'd have attacked Hamas a lot sooner, and I write this as someone who thinks Israel should unilaterally withdraw to the '67 borders. So if Soccerdad simply called Klein an idiot I wouldn't have commented. But a "moral idiot"? That's a phrase I'd reserve for people who accuse Israel of "genocide", etc. But Soccerdad seems to believe that people who disagree with him on the wisdom of this operation are not merely wrong, but immoral. I think the attack will probably make Israel safer in both the short and long terms, but who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. Yes, Hamas is implacably dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and yes, they think ethnic cleansing and genocide are fine and dandy means to acheive that end, but Hamas needs recruits and general support from the Palestinian populace. It's foolish to argue that Israeli actions have no influence at all on whether a particular Palestinian joins Hamas. I’d have attacked Hamas a lot sooner, and I write this as someone who thinks Israel should unilaterally withdraw to the ’67 borders. So if Soccerdad simply called Klein an idiot I wouldn’t have commented. But a “moral idiot”? That’s a phrase I’d reserve for people who accuse Israel of “genocide”, etc. But Soccerdad seems to believe that people who disagree with him on the wisdom of this operation are not merely wrong, but immoral.

I think the attack will probably make Israel safer in both the short and long terms, but who knows? Maybe I’m wrong. Yes, Hamas is implacably dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and yes, they think ethnic cleansing and genocide are fine and dandy means to acheive that end, but Hamas needs recruits and general support from the Palestinian populace. It’s foolish to argue that Israeli actions have no influence at all on whether a particular Palestinian joins Hamas.

]]> By: Michael Lonie http://www.yourish.com/2009/01/02/5895/comment-page-1#comment-35230 Michael Lonie Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:12:09 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5895#comment-35230 Lefty, The suicide bombers, and the rockets or worse, would come whether or not Israel carried out the present operation or any other. They will come if the Palestinian Arabs think they can get into Israel and carry out their missions, blowing up a school bus, exploding in a busy restaurant, detonating in a mall frequented by Jewish mothers strolling their babies, murdering a family at its Passover seder, or destroying a disco frequented by Jewish teenagers. Only Israel's countermeasures, such as operations like Cast Lead, the security fence, and counterintelligence operations will prevent such attacks, not Israel restraint in shooting back when the Arabs shoot at them. What Klein does not understand, or refuses to recognize because the realization would be too horrible for him to continue to hold on to his delusinal ideology, is that Israel's enemies seek the genocide of the Jews. Between that and the desire of Israel's Jews to continue living there can be no compromise. When Israel's enemies say "Peace in the Middle East" what they mean is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jewish inhabitants. I have said this before, but it is the true situation. Failure to realize that means someone does not understand what is going on. Lefty,
The suicide bombers, and the rockets or worse, would come whether or not Israel carried out the present operation or any other. They will come if the Palestinian Arabs think they can get into Israel and carry out their missions, blowing up a school bus, exploding in a busy restaurant, detonating in a mall frequented by Jewish mothers strolling their babies, murdering a family at its Passover seder, or destroying a disco frequented by Jewish teenagers. Only Israel’s countermeasures, such as operations like Cast Lead, the security fence, and counterintelligence operations will prevent such attacks, not Israel restraint in shooting back when the Arabs shoot at them.

What Klein does not understand, or refuses to recognize because the realization would be too horrible for him to continue to hold on to his delusinal ideology, is that Israel’s enemies seek the genocide of the Jews. Between that and the desire of Israel’s Jews to continue living there can be no compromise. When Israel’s enemies say “Peace in the Middle East” what they mean is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jewish inhabitants. I have said this before, but it is the true situation. Failure to realize that means someone does not understand what is going on.

]]> By: Lefty http://www.yourish.com/2009/01/02/5895/comment-page-1#comment-35211 Lefty Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:25:27 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5895#comment-35211 I don't understand this posting. If you think the Gaza operation is going to lead to more suicide bombings in the future (as Klein does), it's hardly immoral to oppose it. I don’t understand this posting. If you think the Gaza operation is going to lead to more suicide bombings in the future (as Klein does), it’s hardly immoral to oppose it.

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