The Palin-Biden debate

Posted on 10/03/2008 by Meryl Yourish

Go ahead. You know you want to talk about it.

I thought she did just fine, and it makes me feel a bit better about her after those horrible interviews. Now what I’d like to see is more of that Sarah Palin and less of the one who gives nothing but bullshit answers to the media. Sorry, Sarah, but you don’t get a bye for using the “Bad ol’ MSM!” routine in the debate tonight.

Like Kathleen Parker, I was seriously wondering if Palin wasn’t a really bad choice after all. Unlike Parker, I didn’t write a column about it.

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11 Responses to The Palin-Biden debate

  1. Ezzie says:
    10/03/2008 at 1:15 am

    I thought it was a solid debate, period. Palin was solid. Biden was as expected.

  2. gerry says:
    10/03/2008 at 2:14 am

    Kathleen Parker makes her living as somoene who ‘enlivens’ the landscape of the admittedly screwball journo print media crapheads. She seldom makes any sense, nor do any of her fellows. They get large salaries on the foundation of their really large alien prejudices. Why should anyone pay any attention to any of this. G]

  3. Jack says:
    10/03/2008 at 3:38 am

    I don’t think that it changed opinions. If anything I thought that it reinforced many.

    She refused to answer questions and wouldn’t stray outside of her comfort zone. I watched her and was not impressed.

    I very much wanted to see how she’d respond if challenged, but it didn’t happen.

  4. Soccerdad says:
    10/03/2008 at 5:34 am

    FWIW, Frank Luntz thinks that it will help McCain.

  5. Jason says:
    10/03/2008 at 8:40 am

    I agree it was a solid debate. Both of them did what they had to do. While Biden sounded like he knew what he was talking about, when you look back he was just blowing hot air especially on Lebanon and Israel. It probably wont change anyone’s mind, but it will re-enforce people’s opinions.

  6. Jeff says:
    10/03/2008 at 11:39 am

    I would never trust Frank Luntz focus groups. He is notorious for manipulating the results.

  7. Sabba Hillel says:
    10/03/2008 at 11:47 am

    http://minx.cc/?post=274757

    JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

    1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

    4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

    Posted by: Ace at 10:45 PM

  8. soccer dad says:
    10/03/2008 at 2:39 pm

    Jeff, I guess there was a reason for my skepticism.

  9. Jeff says:
    10/04/2008 at 12:18 am

    More objective fact checking with sources, not just blanket statements

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

    and soccer dad, I caught your skepticism, just backing it up.

    P.S. Every politician lies and/or makes questionable statements with multiple interpretations.

  10. Robert says:
    10/04/2008 at 8:32 pm

    If you “fact check” Factcheck.org, you’ll see six Palen “lies” compared to only two Biden “mis-statements.”

    So much for the non-biased Annenburg Project…

    Robert

  11. Jeff says:
    10/05/2008 at 1:13 am

    Nowhere does factcheck.org use the word “lie” in their synopsis and it was actually 4-2. The first debate they characterized as 6-5 with Obama having more mischaracterizations or false claims (the words they use for all four candidates).

    Also, which claims were biased or incorrect by factcheck.org. They cite sources. I’d trust their claims before unobjective sources like those copied above with no sources whether they were conservative or liberal.

    Factcheck does debunk some of Sabba Hillel’s claims with cited sources. Are those sources wrong?

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