Comments on: Obama, Biden and Israel http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320 Cutting straight to the point Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:14:34 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Corwin http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33323 Corwin Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:56:30 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33323 Strangely,I always thought Churchill was responsible for pushing the 'Chain Home" (radar) stations Strangely,I always thought Churchill was responsible for pushing the ‘Chain Home” (radar) stations

]]> By: Michael Lonie http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33314 Michael Lonie Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:06:52 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33314 David, Quite so. The ironic thing is that Churchill, while foreseeing what the policy of appeasement would bring, did not understand the importance of the radar chain. Had he been in charge before the war it is possible that he would have downgraded it in favor of some harebrained scheme favored by his friend Dr. Lindemann, like aerial minefields. This was a point made, long after the war, by C. P. Snow IIRC. So you are right that in some ways it was a good thing that Chamberlain was in charge, if not in all ways. David,
Quite so. The ironic thing is that Churchill, while foreseeing what the policy of appeasement would bring, did not understand the importance of the radar chain. Had he been in charge before the war it is possible that he would have downgraded it in favor of some harebrained scheme favored by his friend Dr. Lindemann, like aerial minefields. This was a point made, long after the war, by C. P. Snow IIRC. So you are right that in some ways it was a good thing that Chamberlain was in charge, if not in all ways.

]]> By: david foster http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33297 david foster Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:11:36 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33297 The above should have been "the Spitfire and Hurricane fighters," of course. The above should have been “the Spitfire and Hurricane fighters,” of course.

]]> By: david foster http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33296 david foster Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:10:23 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33296 Michael...Indeed, we have the benefit of the knowledge of Chamberlain's failure, which he of course did not have. Also, as I point out at the link, Chamberlain at least hedged his appeasement policy, by continuing to invest heavily in Britain's defensive capabilities (the radar-communications network and the Spitfire and Mustange fighters.) Obama/Biden, on the other hand, have been hostile to defense, and had they been in Chamberlain's position, they would probably have done the appeasement but not the fighters and the ("unproven") radar system. Michael…Indeed, we have the benefit of the knowledge of Chamberlain’s failure, which he of course did not have. Also, as I point out at the link, Chamberlain at least hedged his appeasement policy, by continuing to invest heavily in Britain’s defensive capabilities (the radar-communications network and the Spitfire and Mustange fighters.) Obama/Biden, on the other hand, have been hostile to defense, and had they been in Chamberlain’s position, they would probably have done the appeasement but not the fighters and the (”unproven”) radar system.

]]> By: Michael Lonie http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33290 Michael Lonie Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:23:08 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33290 Chamberlain's problem was not simply trying to appease another power, which can be done safely if that poower is appeasable. It's that he was trying to appease a power that was unappeasable, and never could be appeased. Chamberlain and his colleagues thought they were preventing another Great War, and that nothing could be worse than that. They also did not know how it would turn out in the end (though there were those, like Churchill, who did foresee how it would turn out). Now we know that there are things worse than even WWI and we know how it turned out. Today's appeasers have much less excuse for their advocay of appeasing the unappeaseable. Chamberlain’s problem was not simply trying to appease another power, which can be done safely if that poower is appeasable. It’s that he was trying to appease a power that was unappeasable, and never could be appeased. Chamberlain and his colleagues thought they were preventing another Great War, and that nothing could be worse than that. They also did not know how it would turn out in the end (though there were those, like Churchill, who did foresee how it would turn out). Now we know that there are things worse than even WWI and we know how it turned out. Today’s appeasers have much less excuse for their advocay of appeasing the unappeaseable.

]]> By: david foster http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33283 david foster Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:05:43 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33283 The big issue with Obama/Biden is that they are, instinctively, appeasers. A victory for that team would be a clear signal to Iran & other malign regimes that it has become much safer to attack American interests and American allies--including, but not limited to, Israel. Indeed, as appeasers, Obama/Biden are <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6087.html" rel="nofollow">considerably worse that Neville Chamberlain</a>. The big issue with Obama/Biden is that they are, instinctively, appeasers. A victory for that team would be a clear signal to Iran & other malign regimes that it has become much safer to attack American interests and American allies–including, but not limited to, Israel.

Indeed, as appeasers, Obama/Biden are considerably worse that Neville Chamberlain.

]]> By: Tom Frank http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33276 Tom Frank Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:43:41 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33276 Lincoln Chaffee is no longer a Republican. He left the party after his defeat in the last election. Not that he was ever a real Republican. He rather epitomizes RINO, only worse. #4 - a Karl Rove scheme to get all those Alaskan Jews to vote for her? Sounds like a lot of effort for what, three votes? I rather think she is simply interested in a nation that, despite it's rather difficult situation and against great odds, continues to thrive. I suspect she feels a certain kinship there. Lincoln Chaffee is no longer a Republican. He left the party after his defeat in the last election. Not that he was ever a real Republican. He rather epitomizes RINO, only worse.

#4 – a Karl Rove scheme to get all those Alaskan Jews to vote for her? Sounds like a lot of effort for what, three votes? I rather think she is simply interested in a nation that, despite it’s rather difficult situation and against great odds, continues to thrive. I suspect she feels a certain kinship there.

]]> By: Corwin http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33270 Corwin Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:54:54 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33270 Meryl Yoy may have noticed Drew and I were commenting on the rlative fitness of the VP candidates a few days ago.I asseerted -along from a lack of intellect,I felt Biden's support of Israel was contingent ,not on Us priorities,not on Israeli safety,not on basic good vs evil,but on popularity.I agree I feel this tosme extent because the Dem party seems driven by pressure groups and polling. Drew said,given Gov Palin's stands on abortion,oil and creatonism why would a centristlike you(Meryl) support her.I spent wat too much time on he net last week end-since I was fascinated with the multitude of charges percolating and surfacing against Gov Palin.I noticed on one site,she was accused of wearing a blue pin signifying support of the IDF.She was lampooned as a creature of minimal intellect,who would soon be converted by the Neocons ,like Wolfowicz,Kristol,et al into a sock puppet who would be a puppet of the Neos-who are Seventh Day Adventists or something.The story was soon corrected;it's a pin parents of Iraqi based or bound sodiers wear.So no Jew puppet.But,I mentioned to Drew,the churhgoing Christians-as opposed to the twice/year liberals tend to be fervent supporters of Israel.Reading Powerline this morning,there was an article about an Israeli film maker/former IDF pilot who'd interviewd Palin last summer and was surprised to find a map of Israel on her office wall.On questioning,she exclaimed how much she admired the country and wanted to visit it someday.Probably this will be twisted into either a Karl Rove scheme to get all those Alaskan Jews to vote for her or a demonstraton of why she is too religious too be trustd,but it's unlikely she ,or Mc Cain would sell an ally out for a few votes.And unless Marty Mc Fly had visited her,she couldn't have known she'd be a VP candidate when she put up the map Meryl
Yoy may have noticed Drew and I were commenting on the rlative fitness of the VP candidates a few days ago.I asseerted -along from a lack of intellect,I felt Biden’s support of Israel was contingent ,not on Us priorities,not on Israeli safety,not on basic good vs evil,but on popularity.I agree I feel this tosme extent because the Dem party seems driven by pressure groups and polling.
Drew said,given Gov Palin’s stands on abortion,oil and creatonism why would a centristlike you(Meryl) support her.I spent wat too much time on he net last week end-since I was fascinated with the multitude of charges percolating and surfacing against Gov Palin.I noticed on one site,she was accused of wearing a blue pin signifying support of the IDF.She was lampooned as a creature of minimal intellect,who would soon be converted by the Neocons ,like Wolfowicz,Kristol,et al into a sock puppet who would be a puppet of the Neos-who are Seventh Day Adventists or something.The story was soon corrected;it’s a pin parents of Iraqi based or bound sodiers wear.So no Jew puppet.But,I mentioned to Drew,the churhgoing Christians-as opposed to the twice/year liberals tend to be fervent supporters of Israel.Reading Powerline this morning,there was an article about an Israeli film maker/former IDF pilot who’d interviewd Palin last summer and was surprised to find a map of Israel on her office wall.On questioning,she exclaimed how much she admired the country and wanted to visit it someday.Probably this will be twisted into either a Karl Rove scheme to get all those Alaskan Jews to vote for her or a demonstraton of why she is too religious too be trustd,but it’s unlikely she ,or Mc Cain would sell an ally out for a few votes.And unless Marty Mc Fly had visited her,she couldn’t have known she’d be a VP candidate when she put up the map

]]> By: E.D. Kain http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33268 E.D. Kain Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:33:02 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33268 Along these lines of "pro-Obama Repubs cool on America-Israel relations" one can also see that Pat Buchanan is an Obama supporter--which speaks volumes in and of itself. I don't think Obama is anti-Israel, but i also fear he is nowhere near the President Israel needs (or America for that matter) in terms of global security and especially the ME security. Along these lines of “pro-Obama Repubs cool on America-Israel relations” one can also see that Pat Buchanan is an Obama supporter–which speaks volumes in and of itself.

I don’t think Obama is anti-Israel, but i also fear he is nowhere near the President Israel needs (or America for that matter) in terms of global security and especially the ME security.

]]> By: Alex Bensky http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/08/5320/comment-page-1#comment-33266 Alex Bensky Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:22:03 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/?p=5320#comment-33266 "Likud" is a code word here. Note the number of people protesting over the last few years that they're not anti-Israel, just not marching in lockstep with the pro-Likud element in Israel, even though Likud hasn't been the government. Here, "Likud" means strongly pro-Israel; you say you're just against the Likudniks to let people know you have not abandoned your progressive bona fides when you claim to support Israel. I have searched and searched for someone to say he is pro-Israel but opposes Israeli government policies because he's not part of the pro-Kadima group. I haven't found anything like that; has anyone? “Likud” is a code word here. Note the number of people protesting over the last few years that they’re not anti-Israel, just not marching in lockstep with the pro-Likud element in Israel, even though Likud hasn’t been the government.

Here, “Likud” means strongly pro-Israel; you say you’re just against the Likudniks to let people know you have not abandoned your progressive bona fides when you claim to support Israel.

I have searched and searched for someone to say he is pro-Israel but opposes Israeli government policies because he’s not part of the pro-Kadima group. I haven’t found anything like that; has anyone?

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