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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31490</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wright is David Duke in blackface.  If any Republican politician called Duke his mentor and sat at his feet imbibing his racist attitudes for twenty years he&#039;d be toast, and no RINO or conservative Republican would accept him.  And Mr. Wright is not alone among Mr. Obama&#039;s pals.  He has also been close to those old 60s terrorists, the Weathermen, whose only regret is that they did not blow up more targets.  He carefully chose all his contacts and friends from among the most anti-American, racist elements he could find at his prestigeous universities and in the black community of Chicago.  This he tells us himself in his autobiography.  As Alex says Mr. Obama has no real track record of achievement, so we must judge him by what he has said and what company he has kept.  It turns out that those aren&#039;t pretty sights when exposed to the disinfectant of sunlight.

As for Mr. Obama as President, his administration would be the Second Coming of Jimmy Carter&#039;s, and not just because of the Carter retreads advising him.  Listen to what Mr. Obama says and you will realize that his view of the world is delusional, admiring vicious tyrants and sneering at our allies and friends.  He also proposes to violate international law, by the way, so all those who hysterically criticized the Bush Administration for imaginary violations should now be very wary of a man who proposes to violate solemnly ratified treaties, and attack states that are not fighting us but are, rather, helping us at least somewhat against our enemies.  

Mr. Obama&#039;s economic ideas are fatuous, but then so are Hillary&#039;s and those of almost all Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wright is David Duke in blackface.  If any Republican politician called Duke his mentor and sat at his feet imbibing his racist attitudes for twenty years he&#8217;d be toast, and no RINO or conservative Republican would accept him.  And Mr. Wright is not alone among Mr. Obama&#8217;s pals.  He has also been close to those old 60s terrorists, the Weathermen, whose only regret is that they did not blow up more targets.  He carefully chose all his contacts and friends from among the most anti-American, racist elements he could find at his prestigeous universities and in the black community of Chicago.  This he tells us himself in his autobiography.  As Alex says Mr. Obama has no real track record of achievement, so we must judge him by what he has said and what company he has kept.  It turns out that those aren&#8217;t pretty sights when exposed to the disinfectant of sunlight.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Obama as President, his administration would be the Second Coming of Jimmy Carter&#8217;s, and not just because of the Carter retreads advising him.  Listen to what Mr. Obama says and you will realize that his view of the world is delusional, admiring vicious tyrants and sneering at our allies and friends.  He also proposes to violate international law, by the way, so all those who hysterically criticized the Bush Administration for imaginary violations should now be very wary of a man who proposes to violate solemnly ratified treaties, and attack states that are not fighting us but are, rather, helping us at least somewhat against our enemies.  </p>
<p>Mr. Obama&#8217;s economic ideas are fatuous, but then so are Hillary&#8217;s and those of almost all Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31470</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, some older Jews--and some younger Jews, too--have attitudes towards blacks that are not praiseworthy. But an equivalent to Wright would be a well-known rabbi with a large congregation offering virulent anti-gentile and anti-black statements on a regular basis, giving awards to notorious racists, and promoting racist organizations regularly in the shul&#039;s newsletter.

I have a few theories...actually, &quot;speculations&quot; is a better word...about black anti-semitism. However, that it exists, that it is widespread, and that many establishment blacks may not subscribe to it but don&#039;t have a problem working with people who do, is sadly true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, some older Jews&#8211;and some younger Jews, too&#8211;have attitudes towards blacks that are not praiseworthy. But an equivalent to Wright would be a well-known rabbi with a large congregation offering virulent anti-gentile and anti-black statements on a regular basis, giving awards to notorious racists, and promoting racist organizations regularly in the shul&#8217;s newsletter.</p>
<p>I have a few theories&#8230;actually, &#8220;speculations&#8221; is a better word&#8230;about black anti-semitism. However, that it exists, that it is widespread, and that many establishment blacks may not subscribe to it but don&#8217;t have a problem working with people who do, is sadly true.</p>
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		<title>By: Long_rifle</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31468</link>
		<dc:creator>Long_rifle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on here, let&#039;s try this:

I love the earth!  I wish to feed the homeless, and to give them clothes and shelter.  Though it&#039;s the dirty white Jews fault all this evil happens.

Now I don&#039;t care how half asleep I am during one of my preachers more &quot;crazy&quot; off the wall sermons, but if I hear something like THAT, I&#039;m going to stand up.  RIGHT THEN, and ask for a clarification, ask if the deacons approved that &quot;dirty white Jew&quot; part.  

And if they did, I would LEAVE and NEVER come back to that church again.

Over 20 years Obama NEVER heard what has been recorded MANY times being said by that man?  AND he never came out and called all that speech patently evil?

Sorry, you better hope Clintler pulls a miracle out of her bum.
 
Because all Mccain has to do is play some of those tapes as adds in mostly white states and show Obama NOT condemning them and it&#039;s OVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on here, let&#8217;s try this:</p>
<p>I love the earth!  I wish to feed the homeless, and to give them clothes and shelter.  Though it&#8217;s the dirty white Jews fault all this evil happens.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t care how half asleep I am during one of my preachers more &#8220;crazy&#8221; off the wall sermons, but if I hear something like THAT, I&#8217;m going to stand up.  RIGHT THEN, and ask for a clarification, ask if the deacons approved that &#8220;dirty white Jew&#8221; part.  </p>
<p>And if they did, I would LEAVE and NEVER come back to that church again.</p>
<p>Over 20 years Obama NEVER heard what has been recorded MANY times being said by that man?  AND he never came out and called all that speech patently evil?</p>
<p>Sorry, you better hope Clintler pulls a miracle out of her bum.</p>
<p>Because all Mccain has to do is play some of those tapes as adds in mostly white states and show Obama NOT condemning them and it&#8217;s OVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31466</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I never said Wright did not have looney ideas. What I am saying is, I look at the actions of people that affect me&quot;

That is exactly the problem with Obama.  He is a newcomer compared to McCain and Clinton, and has very few &quot;actions&quot; on which to judge his intentions, just a lot of vaguely uplifting talk about &quot;hope and change&quot;.  Therefore his words and the words of his supporters *and mentors* take on more importance.  As for comparing Wright to any pastors McCain and Clinton have associated with, McCain and Clinton have never lavished praise on anyone as their &quot;spiritual mentor&quot; as Obama has for Wright.

&quot;[Obama] has a stellar voting record according to AIPAC ...&quot;  He also has some of the most venomously anti-Israel members of the foreign policy establishment as his advisors, including Brzezinski, Malley, Powers (until she got canned), and that general whose name I forgot but who said &quot;New York and Miami&quot; have too much influence on foreign policy.  There is a lot more reason to be suspicious of Obama than just Wright&#039;s rantings.

&quot;I do know there is some latent racism or just mistrust in some older Jewish people, some of it still festering since the riots in the 60’s.&quot;  So your argument is Wright is not really antisemitic, but some Jews are antiblack so that makes it OK?  Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I never said Wright did not have looney ideas. What I am saying is, I look at the actions of people that affect me&#8221;</p>
<p>That is exactly the problem with Obama.  He is a newcomer compared to McCain and Clinton, and has very few &#8220;actions&#8221; on which to judge his intentions, just a lot of vaguely uplifting talk about &#8220;hope and change&#8221;.  Therefore his words and the words of his supporters *and mentors* take on more importance.  As for comparing Wright to any pastors McCain and Clinton have associated with, McCain and Clinton have never lavished praise on anyone as their &#8220;spiritual mentor&#8221; as Obama has for Wright.</p>
<p>&#8220;[Obama] has a stellar voting record according to AIPAC &#8230;&#8221;  He also has some of the most venomously anti-Israel members of the foreign policy establishment as his advisors, including Brzezinski, Malley, Powers (until she got canned), and that general whose name I forgot but who said &#8220;New York and Miami&#8221; have too much influence on foreign policy.  There is a lot more reason to be suspicious of Obama than just Wright&#8217;s rantings.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do know there is some latent racism or just mistrust in some older Jewish people, some of it still festering since the riots in the 60’s.&#8221;  So your argument is Wright is not really antisemitic, but some Jews are antiblack so that makes it OK?  Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31465</link>
		<dc:creator>Herschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you tend to exaggerate what you perceive as conservative ideology, and underestimate all of the negative markers of your liberal candidate. You ignore the fact that Wright purposefully included a Hamas rant in his web page, does that not bother you in the least? 
Obama belonged to this church for over twenty years and did not bother to comment on Wrights anti-American, anti-white, and anti-Israel sermons until this was exposed in the media.
Now they have a muzzle on Wright until the election, and if Obama should win, Wright will be invited to the inauguration.
Jeff, please start to look at things the way they really are, not the way you would like them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you tend to exaggerate what you perceive as conservative ideology, and underestimate all of the negative markers of your liberal candidate. You ignore the fact that Wright purposefully included a Hamas rant in his web page, does that not bother you in the least?<br />
Obama belonged to this church for over twenty years and did not bother to comment on Wrights anti-American, anti-white, and anti-Israel sermons until this was exposed in the media.<br />
Now they have a muzzle on Wright until the election, and if Obama should win, Wright will be invited to the inauguration.<br />
Jeff, please start to look at things the way they really are, not the way you would like them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said Wright did not have looney ideas.  What I am saying is, I look at the actions of people that affect me and the issues that I am concerned with and Wright has nothing to do with either.  Obama on the other hand, while he has less of a pro-Israel reputation than McCain or Lieberman, has a stellar voting record according to AIPAC and would probably make more headway in the middle east then John &quot;Bomb, Bomb Iran&quot; McCain.  

Would he fix all the problems or even get Hamas to lay down their weapons and recognize Israel, not in a million years.  However, I believe he will change the way things are done.  Whether it is for the better, I am not sure.  However, I do not see him throwing Israel under the proverbial bus.

As for what makes a substantial part of the black community adopt openly anti-semitic attitudes,  I have no idea.  The same can be said of their views to the Asian and more recently Latin American communities.  I do know there is some latent racism or just mistrust in some older Jewish people, some of it still festering since the riots in the 60&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said Wright did not have looney ideas.  What I am saying is, I look at the actions of people that affect me and the issues that I am concerned with and Wright has nothing to do with either.  Obama on the other hand, while he has less of a pro-Israel reputation than McCain or Lieberman, has a stellar voting record according to AIPAC and would probably make more headway in the middle east then John &#8220;Bomb, Bomb Iran&#8221; McCain.  </p>
<p>Would he fix all the problems or even get Hamas to lay down their weapons and recognize Israel, not in a million years.  However, I believe he will change the way things are done.  Whether it is for the better, I am not sure.  However, I do not see him throwing Israel under the proverbial bus.</p>
<p>As for what makes a substantial part of the black community adopt openly anti-semitic attitudes,  I have no idea.  The same can be said of their views to the Asian and more recently Latin American communities.  I do know there is some latent racism or just mistrust in some older Jewish people, some of it still festering since the riots in the 60&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2008/04/02/4633/comment-page-1#comment-31462</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, phooey. This is not a question of a some phrases cherry picked from a few sermons. This is a consistently expressed viewpoint, both in sermons and church bulletins and other fora, over a couple of decades. And in his speech Obama didn&#039;t even assert that at any time he drew the good reverend aside to whisper politely that maybe Israel isn&#039;t a dirty word and AIDS is not a plot by the US government to kill blacks.

If Obama didn&#039;t have ties to this church and Rev. Wright announced an endorsement, there&#039;d be no issue. People can endorse whoever they like and a simple statement, &quot;I didn&#039;t seek that endorsement&quot; would be enough.

And Jeff, lets assume for the sake of argument that Rev. Wright&#039;s opinions are a result of the undoubted long history of racism in America--OK, but where did the anti-semitism come from? What history of oppression by Jews has led Wright, and for that matter a substantial part of the black community, to adopt openly anti-semitic attitudes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, phooey. This is not a question of a some phrases cherry picked from a few sermons. This is a consistently expressed viewpoint, both in sermons and church bulletins and other fora, over a couple of decades. And in his speech Obama didn&#8217;t even assert that at any time he drew the good reverend aside to whisper politely that maybe Israel isn&#8217;t a dirty word and AIDS is not a plot by the US government to kill blacks.</p>
<p>If Obama didn&#8217;t have ties to this church and Rev. Wright announced an endorsement, there&#8217;d be no issue. People can endorse whoever they like and a simple statement, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t seek that endorsement&#8221; would be enough.</p>
<p>And Jeff, lets assume for the sake of argument that Rev. Wright&#8217;s opinions are a result of the undoubted long history of racism in America&#8211;OK, but where did the anti-semitism come from? What history of oppression by Jews has led Wright, and for that matter a substantial part of the black community, to adopt openly anti-semitic attitudes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is we do not know who Clinton&#039;s and McCain&#039;s mentors are or even who Obama&#039;s other mentors are, only his black preacher.  I am sure there were some influential professor&#039;s at Harvard and even U of Chicago, where Obama taught, that influenced his policy positions on the basis that they were mentors.  Shouldn&#039;t we be able to analyze all of their writings to see if there were any ideas they should denounce and reject in the name of not being hypocritical.

I do not always agree with my Rabbi&#039;s sermons; but, I also do not begin to think a few sermons are the gist of his being.  The everyday actions towards me and my family make up a much larger part of my opinion of both of the Rabbis at my synagogue than anything they have ever said during a sermon.  Their actions I remember; their words, not so much.

Also, I guess you&#039;ll tell all your friends and loved ones to stop watching Oprah, a member of that church, and basically dealing with most upper-middle class African-Americans in Chicago.  

As an aside, don&#039;t you think an African-American who grew up during Jim Crow and has seen the ravages of the drug war on the inner city he lives in and supports has a reason to be a little upset with the US government.  Especially an ex-marine who volunteered to fight for his country.

If you think I am defending Wright, I am not.  I just don&#039;t think this can all be understood in a 30 second sound bite and I don&#039;t hold individuals responsible for the actions or words of another, especially words they have rejected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is we do not know who Clinton&#8217;s and McCain&#8217;s mentors are or even who Obama&#8217;s other mentors are, only his black preacher.  I am sure there were some influential professor&#8217;s at Harvard and even U of Chicago, where Obama taught, that influenced his policy positions on the basis that they were mentors.  Shouldn&#8217;t we be able to analyze all of their writings to see if there were any ideas they should denounce and reject in the name of not being hypocritical.</p>
<p>I do not always agree with my Rabbi&#8217;s sermons; but, I also do not begin to think a few sermons are the gist of his being.  The everyday actions towards me and my family make up a much larger part of my opinion of both of the Rabbis at my synagogue than anything they have ever said during a sermon.  Their actions I remember; their words, not so much.</p>
<p>Also, I guess you&#8217;ll tell all your friends and loved ones to stop watching Oprah, a member of that church, and basically dealing with most upper-middle class African-Americans in Chicago.  </p>
<p>As an aside, don&#8217;t you think an African-American who grew up during Jim Crow and has seen the ravages of the drug war on the inner city he lives in and supports has a reason to be a little upset with the US government.  Especially an ex-marine who volunteered to fight for his country.</p>
<p>If you think I am defending Wright, I am not.  I just don&#8217;t think this can all be understood in a 30 second sound bite and I don&#8217;t hold individuals responsible for the actions or words of another, especially words they have rejected.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama&#039;s church is a very mainstream church in the African -American Community, then that what does that say about that community.  I don&#039;t think that is the case, but an excusing of this bigots comments.  And BTW the United Church of Christ is one of the most Anti-Israel &quot;mainline&quot; Protestant churches out there.  If Clinton and McCain&#039;s mentors said anything like Wright, they would be out of the race overnight.  There is a hypocrisy in this country when it comes to race.  It is good that reasonable people are now starting to see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama&#8217;s church is a very mainstream church in the African -American Community, then that what does that say about that community.  I don&#8217;t think that is the case, but an excusing of this bigots comments.  And BTW the United Church of Christ is one of the most Anti-Israel &#8220;mainline&#8221; Protestant churches out there.  If Clinton and McCain&#8217;s mentors said anything like Wright, they would be out of the race overnight.  There is a hypocrisy in this country when it comes to race.  It is good that reasonable people are now starting to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine.  Who were Clinton&#039;s and McCain&#039;s mentors and can we analyze everything they ever wrote or said.  The fact is that Sen Obama&#039;s church is a very mainstream church in the African-American community and is associated with the mostly white United Church of Christ.  Also, right and left wing church leaders (including Huckabee) are aghast that Wright is being called out for a few sermons without looking at context and his overall body of work, including his service to our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine.  Who were Clinton&#8217;s and McCain&#8217;s mentors and can we analyze everything they ever wrote or said.  The fact is that Sen Obama&#8217;s church is a very mainstream church in the African-American community and is associated with the mostly white United Church of Christ.  Also, right and left wing church leaders (including Huckabee) are aghast that Wright is being called out for a few sermons without looking at context and his overall body of work, including his service to our country.</p>
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