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	<title>Comments on: Rabbi Kanefsky&#8217;s plea to put Jerusalem on the table</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/10/26/3896/comment-page-1#comment-29363</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote: &quot;Israel’s legal, moral and historic claims to Jerusalem - and the entire West Bank as well - are very strong, but they have been given up by successive Israeli governments&quot;

True, but what about the spiritual claim? No, I&#039;m not referring to ancient texts with no modern application. I&#039;m referring to the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy that has taken place in recent decades in Israel.

The Tanach clearly foretold the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel in 1967, in the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verses 13 and 14 (see http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/Daniel8.pdf for the full explanation).

Yet, Jewish people in Israel and worldwide refuse to acknowledge that G-d did it, and did it exactly as prophesied by giving courage to the IDF and by confounding the minds of Israel&#039;s enemies so as to bring about the miraculous result. It&#039;s almost as if the Jewish people are ashamed of their heritage and the relationship that defines Jews as a people.

Israel is in a spiritual battle for Jerusalem and Eretz Yisrael, yet it refuses to use the most powerful weapon at its disposal. That weapon is belief in the G-d of Israel, and in the promises made to Israel in the Tanach, and, in the case of 1967, the miracle performed literally before the eyes of the people of Israel so that they can believe.

If Jewish people do not believe in their Divine right to the Land of Israel, and say so out loud, why should anyone else believe? My question is not an accusation, but a plea. So much is at stake, my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: &#8220;Israel’s legal, moral and historic claims to Jerusalem &#8211; and the entire West Bank as well &#8211; are very strong, but they have been given up by successive Israeli governments&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but what about the spiritual claim? No, I&#8217;m not referring to ancient texts with no modern application. I&#8217;m referring to the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy that has taken place in recent decades in Israel.</p>
<p>The Tanach clearly foretold the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel in 1967, in the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verses 13 and 14 (see <a href="http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/Daniel8.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/Daniel8.pdf</a> for the full explanation).</p>
<p>Yet, Jewish people in Israel and worldwide refuse to acknowledge that G-d did it, and did it exactly as prophesied by giving courage to the IDF and by confounding the minds of Israel&#8217;s enemies so as to bring about the miraculous result. It&#8217;s almost as if the Jewish people are ashamed of their heritage and the relationship that defines Jews as a people.</p>
<p>Israel is in a spiritual battle for Jerusalem and Eretz Yisrael, yet it refuses to use the most powerful weapon at its disposal. That weapon is belief in the G-d of Israel, and in the promises made to Israel in the Tanach, and, in the case of 1967, the miracle performed literally before the eyes of the people of Israel so that they can believe.</p>
<p>If Jewish people do not believe in their Divine right to the Land of Israel, and say so out loud, why should anyone else believe? My question is not an accusation, but a plea. So much is at stake, my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/10/26/3896/comment-page-1#comment-29360</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody pushing negotiation seems to believe, in the face of decades of experience and all the evidence, that the Palestinian Arabs want peace and are willing to compormise to get a state. This is not true.  What they want is to kill Jews and destroy Israel.  Syria, Egypt and the other Arab states want the same thing, restrained, as Elder says, only because of Israel&#039;s might in arms.  The Arabs rely on terrorism because it is the characteristic Arab and Muslim way of war in the last century and because they regard Israel as civilized enough not to retaliate the way an Arab country would, with mass slaughter.

If anything comes of the current futile round it will be nothing more than what the Oslo Treaty was, a Treaty of Hudabiyah.  Such will allow the Arabs a few years to grow steronger and Israel relatively weaker.  It will not even stop terrorism, as the Oslo Treaty did not.  Any Pali government will just claim that private groups are doing the terrorism and they have no control over them, and if Israel retaliates outsiders will scream bloody murder as usual, with no thought for the Israeli victims.

There is something about armed Jews defending themselves against genocide that makes a lot of people nervous, even hysterical.  I can only wonder why.

The whole negotiation is a futile farce at this time.  Let the Palis stew in their own juice and strike them hard when they attack.  Kill the Hamas scum and the other terrorists and let the Palis reap the just rewards for their evil ways.  Cut all money transfers off, cut off the gas and electricity, leaving only water going to them, making them pay reasonable amounts for it.  After a few years maybe they will be ready to negotiate honestly, but I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody pushing negotiation seems to believe, in the face of decades of experience and all the evidence, that the Palestinian Arabs want peace and are willing to compormise to get a state. This is not true.  What they want is to kill Jews and destroy Israel.  Syria, Egypt and the other Arab states want the same thing, restrained, as Elder says, only because of Israel&#8217;s might in arms.  The Arabs rely on terrorism because it is the characteristic Arab and Muslim way of war in the last century and because they regard Israel as civilized enough not to retaliate the way an Arab country would, with mass slaughter.</p>
<p>If anything comes of the current futile round it will be nothing more than what the Oslo Treaty was, a Treaty of Hudabiyah.  Such will allow the Arabs a few years to grow steronger and Israel relatively weaker.  It will not even stop terrorism, as the Oslo Treaty did not.  Any Pali government will just claim that private groups are doing the terrorism and they have no control over them, and if Israel retaliates outsiders will scream bloody murder as usual, with no thought for the Israeli victims.</p>
<p>There is something about armed Jews defending themselves against genocide that makes a lot of people nervous, even hysterical.  I can only wonder why.</p>
<p>The whole negotiation is a futile farce at this time.  Let the Palis stew in their own juice and strike them hard when they attack.  Kill the Hamas scum and the other terrorists and let the Palis reap the just rewards for their evil ways.  Cut all money transfers off, cut off the gas and electricity, leaving only water going to them, making them pay reasonable amounts for it.  After a few years maybe they will be ready to negotiate honestly, but I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/10/26/3896/comment-page-1#comment-29358</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each to his own.  I think the case for a larger Israel rests best on, of all things, UN Resolution 242, which establishes the right of Israel, among other states to live &quot;within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force&quot;.  

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, &quot;I don&#039; theenk these wor&#039;, &#039;secure&#039; meen wha&#039; some say eet mean.&quot; The Green Line -- the effective border pre-1967 is a fractal, with more twists and turns than  a Ludlum novel; obviously not secure.  The Fence is an attempt to turn a less twisty line into something less insecure.

The Jordan River, though -- like the Golan, and the Suez Canal . . . well, that&#039;s a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each to his own.  I think the case for a larger Israel rests best on, of all things, UN Resolution 242, which establishes the right of Israel, among other states to live &#8220;within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force&#8221;.  </p>
<p>To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, &#8220;I don&#8217; theenk these wor&#8217;, &#8217;secure&#8217; meen wha&#8217; some say eet mean.&#8221; The Green Line &#8212; the effective border pre-1967 is a fractal, with more twists and turns than  a Ludlum novel; obviously not secure.  The Fence is an attempt to turn a less twisty line into something less insecure.</p>
<p>The Jordan River, though &#8212; like the Golan, and the Suez Canal . . . well, that&#8217;s a different story.</p>
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