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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28064</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians in the Sudan are predominently in Equatoria, the southernmost province.  They were the victims of a 21 year war of extermination and enslavement by the Islamist Arab government of the Sudan.  This was finally settled by diplomacy, just as the violence started in Darfur.  Note how long it takes &quot;soft power&quot; to do anything about a crisis.  Some two million peopole died at the hands of the Arabs there, and hundreds of thousands more were enslaved, while diplomacy ground its wheels.

In Darfur the people being attacked by Arab Janjaweed are followers of Sufi orders and black Africans, whom the Arabs consider natrual-born slaves.  The Wahhabi influenced, Islamist Arab Sudanese consider Sufis heretics, if not outright apostates.  Also they possessed farmland the Arabs wanted for grazing their flocks.  The sheep and goats are liekly to ruin the farmland because the Arabs there practice indiscriminate grazing that ruins grazing land.

Gorilla Boy in Tehran has said he&#039;ll share nuke technology with the Sudan, so the Islamists there can have nuclear bombs too.  What do you suppose the genocidal regime in Khartoum will do once they get their paws on nukes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians in the Sudan are predominently in Equatoria, the southernmost province.  They were the victims of a 21 year war of extermination and enslavement by the Islamist Arab government of the Sudan.  This was finally settled by diplomacy, just as the violence started in Darfur.  Note how long it takes &#8220;soft power&#8221; to do anything about a crisis.  Some two million peopole died at the hands of the Arabs there, and hundreds of thousands more were enslaved, while diplomacy ground its wheels.</p>
<p>In Darfur the people being attacked by Arab Janjaweed are followers of Sufi orders and black Africans, whom the Arabs consider natrual-born slaves.  The Wahhabi influenced, Islamist Arab Sudanese consider Sufis heretics, if not outright apostates.  Also they possessed farmland the Arabs wanted for grazing their flocks.  The sheep and goats are liekly to ruin the farmland because the Arabs there practice indiscriminate grazing that ruins grazing land.</p>
<p>Gorilla Boy in Tehran has said he&#8217;ll share nuke technology with the Sudan, so the Islamists there can have nuclear bombs too.  What do you suppose the genocidal regime in Khartoum will do once they get their paws on nukes?</p>
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		<title>By: Not-my-real-name</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28054</link>
		<dc:creator>Not-my-real-name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*anyone*, any people group, any religious assembly, any group at all, that evidence&#039;s hostility to Israel should be dealt with as an enemy.

I was under the impression that the refugee&#039;s were Christian&#039;s and that the Sudanese were Muslim&#039;s, and in fact, that the Muslims hold Christians as slaves.  (Indeed, this is reported in the news frequently.)

And that the Darfur refugees were Christians fleeing this sad situation.

But if they are Muslim&#039;s, well -- then I think we should let the god of the muslims resue them.

The problem here, or at least one aspect of the problem, is that the word labels we are using refer to very different people,

For example, the word &quot;Christian&quot; refer&#039;s both to those anti-Jewish people who send representatives to make nice with Hamas as well as the Christians living in Georiga, who I suspect are very proud to have a Jewish person among them.

But I know for a fact that both the Presbyterians and the Methodists send people to Syria (and used to send people to Lebanon, to the Bekka valley,) to tell terrorists how much they agreed with their agenda.)

Tell me, does anyone think G*d agrees with their agenda...

One day such sympathizers will join their fellows.  Read the last third (or so,) of Isaiah, he has quite a bit to say,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*anyone*, any people group, any religious assembly, any group at all, that evidence&#8217;s hostility to Israel should be dealt with as an enemy.</p>
<p>I was under the impression that the refugee&#8217;s were Christian&#8217;s and that the Sudanese were Muslim&#8217;s, and in fact, that the Muslims hold Christians as slaves.  (Indeed, this is reported in the news frequently.)</p>
<p>And that the Darfur refugees were Christians fleeing this sad situation.</p>
<p>But if they are Muslim&#8217;s, well &#8212; then I think we should let the god of the muslims resue them.</p>
<p>The problem here, or at least one aspect of the problem, is that the word labels we are using refer to very different people,</p>
<p>For example, the word &#8220;Christian&#8221; refer&#8217;s both to those anti-Jewish people who send representatives to make nice with Hamas as well as the Christians living in Georiga, who I suspect are very proud to have a Jewish person among them.</p>
<p>But I know for a fact that both the Presbyterians and the Methodists send people to Syria (and used to send people to Lebanon, to the Bekka valley,) to tell terrorists how much they agreed with their agenda.)</p>
<p>Tell me, does anyone think G*d agrees with their agenda&#8230;</p>
<p>One day such sympathizers will join their fellows.  Read the last third (or so,) of Isaiah, he has quite a bit to say,</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28051</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the Darfurians are Muslims, so your proposal, Roy, doesn&#039;t apply here.  It is a curious fact that Middle Eastern Christians are often more hostile to Israel than Muslims are.  Certainly that has been the case with the Palestinian Arabs, right up until the time when the Muslim Palis started killing and driving out the Christian ones, so that 80% of them now live in Israel and not the PA or Gaza.

Israel exists as a refuge for Jews, who are often denied refuge anywhere else.  An example of this was the airlift of Ethiopian Jews to Israel during the Communist induced famine there.  If the Israelis want, now and then, to take others in, like those Vietnamese boat people, that is their prerogative.  But there is no obligation on them to do so.

All too many &quot;asylum seekers&quot; in the world today are fakes.  Some coming into Europe destroy their own papers in order to present themselves, falsely, as refugees and gain admittance more easily to the EU.  The real ones should be identified and given refuge, and the more numerous fakes sent home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the Darfurians are Muslims, so your proposal, Roy, doesn&#8217;t apply here.  It is a curious fact that Middle Eastern Christians are often more hostile to Israel than Muslims are.  Certainly that has been the case with the Palestinian Arabs, right up until the time when the Muslim Palis started killing and driving out the Christian ones, so that 80% of them now live in Israel and not the PA or Gaza.</p>
<p>Israel exists as a refuge for Jews, who are often denied refuge anywhere else.  An example of this was the airlift of Ethiopian Jews to Israel during the Communist induced famine there.  If the Israelis want, now and then, to take others in, like those Vietnamese boat people, that is their prerogative.  But there is no obligation on them to do so.</p>
<p>All too many &#8220;asylum seekers&#8221; in the world today are fakes.  Some coming into Europe destroy their own papers in order to present themselves, falsely, as refugees and gain admittance more easily to the EU.  The real ones should be identified and given refuge, and the more numerous fakes sent home.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightnin' Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28033</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightnin' Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably in the minority on this but I think Israel should have an almost-no-questions-asked refugee policy with respect to non-Muslims who are being persecuted by Muslims. It seems like the kindest possible way for Israel to A) win the demographic war in the long-term, and to B) shine a spotlight on Islamic barbarity.

Maybe I&#039;d feel differently if I were Israeli, but it seems to me that Chaldeans, Yezidis, Copts, Assyrians, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians and Sudanese Christians are Israel&#039;s most natural allies. And it doesn&#039;t look like anyone else is interested in helping them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably in the minority on this but I think Israel should have an almost-no-questions-asked refugee policy with respect to non-Muslims who are being persecuted by Muslims. It seems like the kindest possible way for Israel to A) win the demographic war in the long-term, and to B) shine a spotlight on Islamic barbarity.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;d feel differently if I were Israeli, but it seems to me that Chaldeans, Yezidis, Copts, Assyrians, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians and Sudanese Christians are Israel&#8217;s most natural allies. And it doesn&#8217;t look like anyone else is interested in helping them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hausman</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28032</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hausman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jews suffered, so Israel should take in refugees?

Jews suffered because the world didn&#039;t care, and the world still doesn&#039;t care that Jews suffer.

Israel has nothing to prove, while the UN effectively continues to support war against Israel.  We have no reason to take advice or accept moral judgements from our enemies.

Sudan.  Darfur.  Muslims killing Muslims. (Oh, THAT old song.)  Other Muslims failing or refusing to help.  Tell me again where all that Muslim charity goes?

Sure we should take them in and show the world how it&#039;s done, but the world will not be impressed.  It&#039;s just another ploy to fill Israel with non-Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jews suffered, so Israel should take in refugees?</p>
<p>Jews suffered because the world didn&#8217;t care, and the world still doesn&#8217;t care that Jews suffer.</p>
<p>Israel has nothing to prove, while the UN effectively continues to support war against Israel.  We have no reason to take advice or accept moral judgements from our enemies.</p>
<p>Sudan.  Darfur.  Muslims killing Muslims. (Oh, THAT old song.)  Other Muslims failing or refusing to help.  Tell me again where all that Muslim charity goes?</p>
<p>Sure we should take them in and show the world how it&#8217;s done, but the world will not be impressed.  It&#8217;s just another ploy to fill Israel with non-Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: David Charlap</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28026</link>
		<dc:creator>David Charlap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel should completely flatten Gaza, and then give it to the Darfur refugees.

In the worst case, nothing changes.  In the best case, maybe they&#039;ll show some gratitude and be better neighbors than the Palis were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel should completely flatten Gaza, and then give it to the Darfur refugees.</p>
<p>In the worst case, nothing changes.  In the best case, maybe they&#8217;ll show some gratitude and be better neighbors than the Palis were.</p>
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		<title>By: Not-my-real-name</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28023</link>
		<dc:creator>Not-my-real-name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all hurt.  I remember a boat full of European refugees.  This was what?, almost 70 years ago now.

This is an item for prayer.  Some problems only G*d can solve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all hurt.  I remember a boat full of European refugees.  This was what?, almost 70 years ago now.</p>
<p>This is an item for prayer.  Some problems only G*d can solve.</p>
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		<title>By: chsw</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28022</link>
		<dc:creator>chsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies, Meryl.  I sent you a round-up of articles and I now see that you had already addressed the issue.

chsw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies, Meryl.  I sent you a round-up of articles and I now see that you had already addressed the issue.</p>
<p>chsw</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/20/3576/comment-page-1#comment-28017</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel has every right to not accept refugees from Darfur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel has every right to not accept refugees from Darfur.</p>
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