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		<title>By: not-my-real-name</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-28047</link>
		<dc:creator>not-my-real-name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rahel:
So, do you know what the front of the tee-shirt said?
And maybe someone can tell me where I can order a bunch?  Hello, Meryl?  Rahel?
I am thinking of ordering, say 25 or 50, and I like to think I have a few friends who could help distribute them in Boston (well, probably greater Boston.)  And maybe NYC or there-abouts.)
Or, an alternative thought...
Just ask someone to make some up.
If I underwrite the costs, I would probably decide to say something just a little more pointed, and try to point ou that we Americans have a choice to make:
To wit, we can coast along, and see our nation move away from the G*d of the Bible, and God will rescue Israel another way, or we can act to help.
Remember Ester?  Read Ester 4:12.  Well, that&#039;s pretty much where America is today.  Either we decide to help or we decide to walk.
Either way, G*d will help Israel.  The question isn&#039;t what&#039;s going to happen to Israel -- the outcome for Israel is certain, God has made promises, he&#039;ll keep them.  (But notice, no such promises have been made about the US.)
So, the question is whether we will step up or whether God will find another means of managing Israel&#039;s survival.
Third option:
I&#039;d be willing to entertain suggestions, if someone thinks they have a better statement to make and are interested in participating, step up to Meryl&#039;s podium and make your suggestion.
This may not be realistic -- but you know, I think a lot of American&#039;s like the Jewish people they know and love Israel, so I&#039;m willing to wear a tee-shirt.
By the way, I want more of a sweat type garment, not an actual tee-shirt.
When the time comes I&#039;ll provide Meryl with a bank check or a Paypal deposit, or whatever is required.  As I say, I think I have sufficient friends such that our order could total 25 or 50 garments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rahel:</p>
<p>So, do you know what the front of the tee-shirt said?</p>
<p>And maybe someone can tell me where I can order a bunch?  Hello, Meryl?  Rahel?</p>
<p>I am thinking of ordering, say 25 or 50, and I like to think I have a few friends who could help distribute them in Boston (well, probably greater Boston.)  And maybe NYC or there-abouts.)</p>
<p>Or, an alternative thought&#8230;</p>
<p>Just ask someone to make some up.</p>
<p>If I underwrite the costs, I would probably decide to say something just a little more pointed, and try to point ou that we Americans have a choice to make:</p>
<p>To wit, we can coast along, and see our nation move away from the G*d of the Bible, and God will rescue Israel another way, or we can act to help.  </p>
<p>Remember Ester?  Read Ester 4:12.  Well, that&#8217;s pretty much where America is today.  Either we decide to help or we decide to walk.</p>
<p>Either way, G*d will help Israel.  The question isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s going to happen to Israel &#8212; the outcome for Israel is certain, God has made promises, he&#8217;ll keep them.  (But notice, no such promises have been made about the US.)</p>
<p>So, the question is whether we will step up or whether God will find another means of managing Israel&#8217;s survival.</p>
<p>Third option:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to entertain suggestions, if someone thinks they have a better statement to make and are interested in participating, step up to Meryl&#8217;s podium and make your suggestion.</p>
<p>This may not be realistic &#8212; but you know, I think a lot of American&#8217;s like the Jewish people they know and love Israel, so I&#8217;m willing to wear a tee-shirt.</p>
<p>By the way, I want more of a sweat type garment, not an actual tee-shirt.</p>
<p>When the time comes I&#8217;ll provide Meryl with a bank check or a Paypal deposit, or whatever is required.  As I say, I think I have sufficient friends such that our order could total 25 or 50 garments.</p>
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		<title>By: mrkinnc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let everyone know, in the &quot;Related&quot; section of that NYT article, there&#039;s a fascinating video of a debate between Martin Indyk, John Mearsheimer, Shlomo Ben Ami, Dennis Ross, Tony Judt, and Rashid Khalidi. I got half way through, and you can really see how Mearsheimer is really mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let everyone know, in the &#8220;Related&#8221; section of that NYT article, there&#8217;s a fascinating video of a debate between Martin Indyk, John Mearsheimer, Shlomo Ben Ami, Dennis Ross, Tony Judt, and Rashid Khalidi. I got half way through, and you can really see how Mearsheimer is really mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not-my-real-name, the photo of the t-shirt was taken on an Israeli bus.</description>
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		<title>By: Not-my-real-name</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27960</link>
		<dc:creator>Not-my-real-name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if other people see this,...
America&#039;s intellectual community is increasingly less focused on Israel, and today our academics spout the &quot;truths&quot; of the Muslim system, or of Hamas or the PLO, rather than actual truth.
First, not that Christians and Jews have been perfect for each other, they haven&#039;t.  But Jews *generally* have faired well in societies that were predominantly Christian; (though not universally, remember Germany, remember France at times -- though that has never been a country I&#039;d call Christian, -- western, yes, -- but not unabashedly Christian.)  Even the Scandinavian countries, which during WW2 offered strong support to fleeing Jews, today, have turned away from doing right and, in order to maintain their economic interests, tacitly favor Muslims and Arab positions as necessary to maintain peace and security in their land.  And Jews, well, we just don&#039;t seem to matter so much. to them...  (As you will read, it&#039;s not the Jews I feel sorry for...)
[Ms. Yourish, please note:  I am not attempting to infer that say, Argentina or Spain have treated Jewish people well.  In fact I consider the record of *Catholic* countries very poor, and I believe Jews should, based on historical fact, be wary of Catholics, who historically have been guilty of much anti-semitism;  They just managed to do it quietly, or they &quot;held the coat&quot; of another while they did some evil thing.  For example, look at the actions of the Pope during WW2 wrt Nazi Germany.]
But make no mistake, several authors of the Bible, writing across almost two thousand years, make the point again and again, that God&#039;s plan for Jews includes Jerusalem and a vigorous Israel.  (Read Jeremiah, chapter 29,) to get a sense of this if you don&#039;t agree.
Briefly:  Jeramiah 29:11   &quot;For I know the plans I have for you,&quot; declares the Lord, &quot;plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.&quot;
But this is not the hope of non-Christian society, this is the hope of the Creator, and it&#039;s important to add that future societies as described by Isaiah and other Biblical authors includes others, too.  (Indeed, LIMITED cultural diversity is pretty big with God.  I say limited because as we use the word &quot;diversity&quot; today, no, that&#039;s not on God&#039;s TODO list.  But healthy countries that support Israel, well, for such partners, God has done quite a bit.)  And that&#039;s why I&#039;m writing.
Now, about the pro-Israel lobby.  I just hope that Walt and Mearsheimer are correct, that our Congress and our society are completely overtaken with people who are unashamedly, unabashedly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish.  (why can&#039;t the enemies of God be right for once!  Not right in big ways, just be right this way, in their remarks about America being pro-Israel!!)
Not because Jewish people are always right -- look at how Israel gave some land to the people of Gaza, today no observer can see this as rational or good for Israel, (and many think it goes against a Biblical injunction.)  In fact, I&#039;m not so sure that the Philistines will benefit either, because God is in charge of Israel&#039;s security, and I would not be surprised to see him do something pretty clever, after all, he&#039;s got an extraordinary track record.  If this disaster can be salvaged, I am sure he&#039;s already looked into how best to accomplish this.
(Indeed, as I look at the people living in Gaza, I am overwhelmed with one truth: that the best single thing they could do for themselves is to leave;  To get out, because no good will come to them so long as they occupy the land of Israel.)  Yes, I feel for them, but very clearly, these people and their leaders have created massive problems for themselves, and they did these things not accidentally but in an effort to harm the people of Israel.  So, what&#039;s the expression:  &quot;Get out while there&#039;s still time.&quot;)
But none of this is my main point...
Listen up!  About Walt and Mearsheimer, we have a simple promise...
God, the God of the Bible, the God of Creation, the only wise God, the God of us, and the only God worthy of being called &#039;God&#039;, he&#039;s made a promise:
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you, I will curse. Through you every family on earth will be blessed.
Indeed, this promise is one of the reason&#039;s the pro-Israel lobby is strong, because Christian&#039;s know the Bible and value the author.  Very highly.
Of course, these things being true, it&#039;s important for America to remain a Christian nation.  And notice, we have God&#039;s promise that he will deal with those who hate Jews.  (And as I look at history, I don&#039;t see that he&#039;s been remiss in keeping his word.  Indeed, he has worked to keep this promise.  Nations that blessed Jews, that gave them sanctuary, that treated them consistent with the treatment of other citizens, such nations have done well.  America is perhaps the best example of this.
Recently, Ms. Yourish showed a JPEG image of a tee-shirt.  This shirt, presumably taken on a NYC subway, made this point so very effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if other people see this,&#8230;</p>
<p>America&#8217;s intellectual community is increasingly less focused on Israel, and today our academics spout the &#8220;truths&#8221; of the Muslim system, or of Hamas or the PLO, rather than actual truth.</p>
<p>First, not that Christians and Jews have been perfect for each other, they haven&#8217;t.  But Jews *generally* have faired well in societies that were predominantly Christian; (though not universally, remember Germany, remember France at times &#8212; though that has never been a country I&#8217;d call Christian, &#8212; western, yes, &#8212; but not unabashedly Christian.)  Even the Scandinavian countries, which during WW2 offered strong support to fleeing Jews, today, have turned away from doing right and, in order to maintain their economic interests, tacitly favor Muslims and Arab positions as necessary to maintain peace and security in their land.  And Jews, well, we just don&#8217;t seem to matter so much. to them&#8230;  (As you will read, it&#8217;s not the Jews I feel sorry for&#8230;)</p>
<p>[Ms. Yourish, please note:  I am not attempting to infer that say, Argentina or Spain have treated Jewish people well.  In fact I consider the record of *Catholic* countries very poor, and I believe Jews should, based on historical fact, be wary of Catholics, who historically have been guilty of much anti-semitism;  They just managed to do it quietly, or they "held the coat" of another while they did some evil thing.  For example, look at the actions of the Pope during WW2 wrt Nazi Germany.]</p>
<p>But make no mistake, several authors of the Bible, writing across almost two thousand years, make the point again and again, that God&#8217;s plan for Jews includes Jerusalem and a vigorous Israel.  (Read Jeremiah, chapter 29,) to get a sense of this if you don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>Briefly:  Jeramiah 29:11   &#8220;For I know the plans I have for you,&#8221; declares the Lord, &#8220;plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.&#8221;</p>
<p>But this is not the hope of non-Christian society, this is the hope of the Creator, and it&#8217;s important to add that future societies as described by Isaiah and other Biblical authors includes others, too.  (Indeed, LIMITED cultural diversity is pretty big with God.  I say limited because as we use the word &#8220;diversity&#8221; today, no, that&#8217;s not on God&#8217;s TODO list.  But healthy countries that support Israel, well, for such partners, God has done quite a bit.)  And that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m writing.</p>
<p>Now, about the pro-Israel lobby.  I just hope that Walt and Mearsheimer are correct, that our Congress and our society are completely overtaken with people who are unashamedly, unabashedly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish.  (why can&#8217;t the enemies of God be right for once!  Not right in big ways, just be right this way, in their remarks about America being pro-Israel!!)</p>
<p>Not because Jewish people are always right &#8212; look at how Israel gave some land to the people of Gaza, today no observer can see this as rational or good for Israel, (and many think it goes against a Biblical injunction.)  In fact, I&#8217;m not so sure that the Philistines will benefit either, because God is in charge of Israel&#8217;s security, and I would not be surprised to see him do something pretty clever, after all, he&#8217;s got an extraordinary track record.  If this disaster can be salvaged, I am sure he&#8217;s already looked into how best to accomplish this.</p>
<p>(Indeed, as I look at the people living in Gaza, I am overwhelmed with one truth: that the best single thing they could do for themselves is to leave;  To get out, because no good will come to them so long as they occupy the land of Israel.)  Yes, I feel for them, but very clearly, these people and their leaders have created massive problems for themselves, and they did these things not accidentally but in an effort to harm the people of Israel.  So, what&#8217;s the expression:  &#8220;Get out while there&#8217;s still time.&#8221;)</p>
<p>But none of this is my main point&#8230;</p>
<p>Listen up!  About Walt and Mearsheimer, we have a simple promise&#8230;</p>
<p>God, the God of the Bible, the God of Creation, the only wise God, the God of us, and the only God worthy of being called &#8216;God&#8217;, he&#8217;s made a promise:</p>
<p>I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you, I will curse. Through you every family on earth will be blessed.</p>
<p>Indeed, this promise is one of the reason&#8217;s the pro-Israel lobby is strong, because Christian&#8217;s know the Bible and value the author.  Very highly.  </p>
<p>Of course, these things being true, it&#8217;s important for America to remain a Christian nation.  And notice, we have God&#8217;s promise that he will deal with those who hate Jews.  (And as I look at history, I don&#8217;t see that he&#8217;s been remiss in keeping his word.  Indeed, he has worked to keep this promise.  Nations that blessed Jews, that gave them sanctuary, that treated them consistent with the treatment of other citizens, such nations have done well.  America is perhaps the best example of this. </p>
<p>Recently, Ms. Yourish showed a JPEG image of a tee-shirt.  This shirt, presumably taken on a NYC subway, made this point so very effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27951</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of people shouting from the housetops that they are not allowed to speak above a whisper.
How come all those academics and ex-diplomats and whatnot who get Saudi money and shill for the Wahhabis here in the USA never get accused of dual loyalties?  What about outfits like CAIR, propagandists for the terrorists?  Nope, it&#039;s only the Jews who get the accusation.
As for antisemitism, there is a trasitivity to support of the Arab side against Israel.  The Arabs&#039; goal is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jewish inhabitants.  This is antisemitic.  Support for the Arab side means support for their goal, and therefore support of an antisemitic position.  If A=B and B=C then A=C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of people shouting from the housetops that they are not allowed to speak above a whisper.</p>
<p>How come all those academics and ex-diplomats and whatnot who get Saudi money and shill for the Wahhabis here in the USA never get accused of dual loyalties?  What about outfits like CAIR, propagandists for the terrorists?  Nope, it&#8217;s only the Jews who get the accusation.</p>
<p>As for antisemitism, there is a trasitivity to support of the Arab side against Israel.  The Arabs&#8217; goal is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jewish inhabitants.  This is antisemitic.  Support for the Arab side means support for their goal, and therefore support of an antisemitic position.  If A=B and B=C then A=C.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27946</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm..., who exactly are the members of this &quot;Israel Lobby&quot;?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever met one.  Shady figures trolling the houses of Congress and passing out Latkes in exchange for aid dollars?  Yeah, that must be it.
American Jews are citizens just like anybody else.  I say let them lobby away.
I, personally, am a member of the &quot;free motorcycles for engineers&quot; lobby.  Watch out for us, we want your money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;, who exactly are the members of this &#8220;Israel Lobby&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever met one.  Shady figures trolling the houses of Congress and passing out Latkes in exchange for aid dollars?  Yeah, that must be it.  </p>
<p>American Jews are citizens just like anybody else.  I say let them lobby away.</p>
<p>I, personally, am a member of the &#8220;free motorcycles for engineers&#8221; lobby.  Watch out for us, we want your money!</p>
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		<title>By: Lightnin' Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27945</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightnin' Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever notice that a disproportionate number of these people have German last names?
Walt, Mearsheimer, Alex Linder, Frank Weltner, Erich Gliebe, etc.
I detect, how you say, a conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever notice that a disproportionate number of these people have German last names?</p>
<p>Walt, Mearsheimer, Alex Linder, Frank Weltner, Erich Gliebe, etc.</p>
<p>I detect, how you say, a conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: velvel in decatur</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27942</link>
		<dc:creator>velvel in decatur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this will be as good a fiction best-seller as O. J. Simpson&#039;s &quot;If I Did It&quot; and just as accurate.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris L.</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/08/17/3565/comment-page-1#comment-27939</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I may link to a recent Victor Hanson column, scroll down to where he talks about Mearsheimer at the Kos convention (moral equivalence of Israel and Iran with nukes, the usual, etc.).
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson081507.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may link to a recent Victor Hanson column, scroll down to where he talks about Mearsheimer at the Kos convention (moral equivalence of Israel and Iran with nukes, the usual, etc.).  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson081507.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson081507.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rahel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, we control the world, do we? Then why do I have to work for a living?
Seems to me that the brains of Walt and Mearsheimer are fundamentally flawed.</description>
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<p>Seems to me that the brains of Walt and Mearsheimer are fundamentally flawed.</p>
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