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		<title>By: The International Jew</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26891</link>
		<dc:creator>The International Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was never about the &quot;Israeli Occupation.&quot; It&#039;s about the world&#039;s pre-occupation with Israel.

40 dead &quot;Palis&quot; within a week would have been front page news worldwide...if Israel had done it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was never about the &#8220;Israeli Occupation.&#8221; It&#8217;s about the world&#8217;s pre-occupation with Israel.</p>
<p>40 dead &#8220;Palis&#8221; within a week would have been front page news worldwide&#8230;if Israel had done it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatterdemalian</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26862</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatterdemalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They’re not even bothering to hide that anymore.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071701154.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seriously&lt;/a&gt;.

The left continues to make the same terrible mistake that led it to support first National Socialism, then Communism, and now Islamism. They truly believe that words are more important than actions. 

It can be seen in the way they struggle to reframe narratives rather than provide solutions; in the way they insist that their diplomatic partners never be offended, accused, or even suspected of any hostilities, even while they are killing people as quickly as they can; and in the way they insist that the condemnations of Israel, issued by the UN and &quot;pacifist&quot; NGOs around the world merely for the Zionist war crime of self defense, say all there that needs to be said about Israel, and say nothing about the NGOs themselves, except that they have the &quot;moral high ground.&quot;

They will never learn, because there is always another word they can use to invalidate any actions, and the lessons they teach. And if there isn&#039;t, then they can simply invent a new word, and hide behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’re not even bothering to hide that anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071701154.html" rel="nofollow">Seriously</a>.</p>
<p>The left continues to make the same terrible mistake that led it to support first National Socialism, then Communism, and now Islamism. They truly believe that words are more important than actions. </p>
<p>It can be seen in the way they struggle to reframe narratives rather than provide solutions; in the way they insist that their diplomatic partners never be offended, accused, or even suspected of any hostilities, even while they are killing people as quickly as they can; and in the way they insist that the condemnations of Israel, issued by the UN and &#8220;pacifist&#8221; NGOs around the world merely for the Zionist war crime of self defense, say all there that needs to be said about Israel, and say nothing about the NGOs themselves, except that they have the &#8220;moral high ground.&#8221;</p>
<p>They will never learn, because there is always another word they can use to invalidate any actions, and the lessons they teach. And if there isn&#8217;t, then they can simply invent a new word, and hide behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26856</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I will call bullshit on that. The UN has been putting out &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;resolution after resolution criticizing Israel&lt;/a&gt;, starting in 1949 and going on, of course, even until today.

250: &quot;&#039;calls&#039; on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem&quot;.&quot;

251: &quot; &#039;deeply deplores&#039; Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250&quot;.

252: &quot; &#039;declares invalid&#039; Israel&#039;s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital&quot;.

Etc., etc. Go find the resolutions condemning the Arab states for their aggression against Israel.

Do you know, in 1960, the UNSC issued a resolution &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.un.org/documents/sc/res/1960/scres60.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;condemning Israel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; for kidnapping Adolf Eichmann from Argentina? Not a word about Argentina hiding the most despicable Nazi alive, but they condemned Israel for violating Argentina&#039;s sovereignty.

The criticism of Israel over the decades has little to do with the occupation, and much to do with Israel being the only Jewish state in the world. One which the surrounding Muslim and Arab states have refused to accept, even now, nearly 60 years after her re-establishment.

It&#039;s not the occupation. That&#039;s just the excuse. There was no occupation between 1949 and 1967. 

When I last tallied the resolutions, in 2002, 15% of all UN resolutions concerned Israel, most of them negative. Feel free to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yourish.com/archives/2002/sep29-oct5_2002.html#2002100101&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;take a look yourself&lt;/a&gt; to see the year-by-year breakdown.

I have been writing this blog since 2001. I started writing about Israel in the spring of 2002. We&#039;re talking about five years of researching posts, as well as five years of reading the news.

When people blame the occupation, they are lying. Especially in relation to the PLO, which was formed three years before the capture of the West Bank and Gaza. In their minds, Israel&#039;s fault lies in her very existence. 

They&#039;re not even bothering to hide that anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I will call bullshit on that. The UN has been putting out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel" rel="nofollow">resolution after resolution criticizing Israel</a>, starting in 1949 and going on, of course, even until today.</p>
<p>250: &#8220;&#8216;calls&#8217; on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>251: &#8221; &#8216;deeply deplores&#8217; Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250&#8243;.</p>
<p>252: &#8221; &#8216;declares invalid&#8217; Israel&#8217;s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital&#8221;.</p>
<p>Etc., etc. Go find the resolutions condemning the Arab states for their aggression against Israel.</p>
<p>Do you know, in 1960, the UNSC issued a resolution <em><a href="http://www.un.org/documents/sc/res/1960/scres60.htm" rel="nofollow">condemning Israel</a></em> for kidnapping Adolf Eichmann from Argentina? Not a word about Argentina hiding the most despicable Nazi alive, but they condemned Israel for violating Argentina&#8217;s sovereignty.</p>
<p>The criticism of Israel over the decades has little to do with the occupation, and much to do with Israel being the only Jewish state in the world. One which the surrounding Muslim and Arab states have refused to accept, even now, nearly 60 years after her re-establishment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the occupation. That&#8217;s just the excuse. There was no occupation between 1949 and 1967. </p>
<p>When I last tallied the resolutions, in 2002, 15% of all UN resolutions concerned Israel, most of them negative. Feel free to <a href="http://www.yourish.com/archives/2002/sep29-oct5_2002.html#2002100101" rel="nofollow">take a look yourself</a> to see the year-by-year breakdown.</p>
<p>I have been writing this blog since 2001. I started writing about Israel in the spring of 2002. We&#8217;re talking about five years of researching posts, as well as five years of reading the news.</p>
<p>When people blame the occupation, they are lying. Especially in relation to the PLO, which was formed three years before the capture of the West Bank and Gaza. In their minds, Israel&#8217;s fault lies in her very existence. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re not even bothering to hide that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26855</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add to Eli&#039;s comments that criticism of Israel takes place in the context of the Occupation. This gives it an international dimension completely absent from the current mess in Gaza. The media, the UN, and the other usual suspects tend to take the simplistic view that the occupation is completely unjustified, so what seems like unwarranted Israel-bashing is actually occupation-bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll add to Eli&#8217;s comments that criticism of Israel takes place in the context of the Occupation. This gives it an international dimension completely absent from the current mess in Gaza. The media, the UN, and the other usual suspects tend to take the simplistic view that the occupation is completely unjustified, so what seems like unwarranted Israel-bashing is actually occupation-bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hausman</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26854</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hausman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(whose name in Hebrew means thuggish violence [Genesis 2:11])

Correction on that reference?

&lt;i&gt;Gen. 2:11 The name of the first is Pishon; that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(whose name in Hebrew means thuggish violence [Genesis 2:11])</p>
<p>Correction on that reference?</p>
<p><i>Gen. 2:11 The name of the first is Pishon; that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26850</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People aren&#039;t supporting Hamas?  Norway gives Hamas money.  The EU is preparing to do the same.
http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWRmMTI0MzdkNzMzMzQwNDIxZTdlYmM1N2RmYjJlOWY=

(Sorry I don&#039;t know how to insert a link.  If you copy and paste the URL into your browser it should take you to the site.)

This chaotic violence certainly lays bare what rule by Islamists really means, and what palestinian independence really means.  If people drew logical conclusions from observation it would put paid to both the tolerance of Islamism and support for the Palestinian Arabs, not only in Europe and America but in the Middle East as well.  I doubt there are many people who can reason that well, however.

This is a case of working out the theory of democracy.  H. L. Mencken commented that the theory of democracy is that the voters know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard.  This is what the Palestinian Arabs voted for, rule by a bunch of nihilistic death cultists that would lead them in killing Jews.  

Before they can do that the death cultists have to kill off the Palis who are keeping control of the swag, otherwise the rank and file of Hamas, who form a Goody Redistribution Action Bunch (GRAB) won&#039;t be satisfied with the goodies they are getting.  If the gunmen aren&#039;t getting enough swag to satisfy them it can get unhealthy for the higher level swine in the organization.  Left to themselves Arab political groups act like Tony Soprano&#039;s mob, only with more violence and less honorable behavior.

I suggest to Israel that once Hamas has killed off all the Fatah types in Gaza the IDF go in and kill off all the Hamas types in Gaza.  Then they should offer this choice to the remaining Arabs there: live at peace with Jewish neighbors or, if you cannot bring yourselves to do that, go find some neighbors with whom you can live at peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People aren&#8217;t supporting Hamas?  Norway gives Hamas money.  The EU is preparing to do the same.<br />
<a href="http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWRmMTI0MzdkNzMzMzQwNDIxZTdlYmM1N2RmYjJlOWY=" rel="nofollow">http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWRmMTI0MzdkNzMzMzQwNDIxZTdlYmM1N2RmYjJlOWY=</a></p>
<p>(Sorry I don&#8217;t know how to insert a link.  If you copy and paste the URL into your browser it should take you to the site.)</p>
<p>This chaotic violence certainly lays bare what rule by Islamists really means, and what palestinian independence really means.  If people drew logical conclusions from observation it would put paid to both the tolerance of Islamism and support for the Palestinian Arabs, not only in Europe and America but in the Middle East as well.  I doubt there are many people who can reason that well, however.</p>
<p>This is a case of working out the theory of democracy.  H. L. Mencken commented that the theory of democracy is that the voters know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard.  This is what the Palestinian Arabs voted for, rule by a bunch of nihilistic death cultists that would lead them in killing Jews.  </p>
<p>Before they can do that the death cultists have to kill off the Palis who are keeping control of the swag, otherwise the rank and file of Hamas, who form a Goody Redistribution Action Bunch (GRAB) won&#8217;t be satisfied with the goodies they are getting.  If the gunmen aren&#8217;t getting enough swag to satisfy them it can get unhealthy for the higher level swine in the organization.  Left to themselves Arab political groups act like Tony Soprano&#8217;s mob, only with more violence and less honorable behavior.</p>
<p>I suggest to Israel that once Hamas has killed off all the Fatah types in Gaza the IDF go in and kill off all the Hamas types in Gaza.  Then they should offer this choice to the remaining Arabs there: live at peace with Jewish neighbors or, if you cannot bring yourselves to do that, go find some neighbors with whom you can live at peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26844</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl, I&#039;m not arguing that people aren&#039;t unfair to Israelis, just that THIS isn&#039;t one of those times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl, I&#8217;m not arguing that people aren&#8217;t unfair to Israelis, just that THIS isn&#8217;t one of those times.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26843</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Meryl, I’m not calling into question that the world is quick to call something the Israelis do a massacre or an atrocity before ascertaining the facts of the matter.

So in effect, you&#039;re saying there&#039;s a double standard even while telling me there&#039;s not a double standard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right. I&#039;m done here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meryl, I’m not calling into question that the world is quick to call something the Israelis do a massacre or an atrocity before ascertaining the facts of the matter.</p>
<p>So in effect, you&#8217;re saying there&#8217;s a double standard even while telling me there&#8217;s not a double standard.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right. I&#8217;m done here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26842</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl, I&#039;m not calling into question that the world is quick to call something the Israelis do a massacre or an atrocity before ascertaining the facts of the matter.

Meryl, ask yourself: Why doesn&#039;t the world run with the WAR CRIMES headline? Why? Because it isn&#039;t a war crime. It&#039;s an act of mob violence approaching civil war. The Sunni and Shia are killing one another like flies, and the world is intervening not by getting huffy but by *trying to do something about it*. When you deal with an organized state, you react by applying moral pressure. When you are dealing with goons, you try to change the circumstances  to make operating conditions less hospitable for goons. There is nothing hypocritical about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl, I&#8217;m not calling into question that the world is quick to call something the Israelis do a massacre or an atrocity before ascertaining the facts of the matter.</p>
<p>Meryl, ask yourself: Why doesn&#8217;t the world run with the WAR CRIMES headline? Why? Because it isn&#8217;t a war crime. It&#8217;s an act of mob violence approaching civil war. The Sunni and Shia are killing one another like flies, and the world is intervening not by getting huffy but by *trying to do something about it*. When you deal with an organized state, you react by applying moral pressure. When you are dealing with goons, you try to change the circumstances  to make operating conditions less hospitable for goons. There is nothing hypocritical about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabba Hillel</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2007/06/14/3292/comment-page-1#comment-26841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabba Hillel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s a triple or quadruple standard.

1. The way the media ignore the murders by Hamas (whose name in Hebrew &lt;b&gt;means&lt;/b&gt; thuggish violence [Genesis 2:11])

2. The way the media react to &quot;civilized&quot; countries.

3. The way the media react to the United States.

4. The way the media react to Israel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s a triple or quadruple standard.</p>
<p>1. The way the media ignore the murders by Hamas (whose name in Hebrew <b>means</b> thuggish violence [Genesis 2:11])</p>
<p>2. The way the media react to &#8220;civilized&#8221; countries.</p>
<p>3. The way the media react to the United States.</p>
<p>4. The way the media react to Israel</p>
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