Don’t try to continue this in another thread.

This is the best turn of the converwsation that has happened between us yet, Z.

Thank you for saying that.

” I haven’t seen Pat Robertson or any other Christian leaders condemning abortion clinic bombers, so until I see that I don’t think it’s fair of you to point your finger at moderate Islamic websites and claim they’re being sneaky. ”

There are radicals and actions of Christians that I do not approve of and wish they would get off my side.

OTOH, they were not part of this discussion.

Here is the key to changing my mind, Z:

If the Moderate Muslims worldwide started staging _massive_ protests against their ‘Radical’ Muslim Brothers and their terroristic External Jihad to convert the world to Islam by the Sword, you would see me _starting_ to change my mind about them and their Allah.

Until then, they are no better that the German and Scandinavian racists who were quietly smug in their superiority. Who in their very quiet and ‘moderate’ lives promoted the nazi agenda by their silence.

Yea. I sure am. I also was not aware how pure you Zoroastrianists are. By you admitting they are better than the ‘big 3′, I finally have confirmation. Thank you so much.

“Again, about your 3 questions – they are irrelevant to the fact that Muslim websites and most Muslim people are moderate. ”

Wrong. Websites are words. Protests are action. A moderate is that way in both word and action. If they say moderate things, it should be backedup by moderate actions: like protesting the “radical” actions.

Words can also be twisted. I sadi that t first glance those sites _appeared_ moderate. I guess you don’t understand what I meant I should never have said the word moderate or Muslim in the same sentence because then you say ‘Ha! see! I was right.

…and your the one calling me a moron?

“Trust me, I wish some people in W. Va. didn’t call me a fag”

I wasn’t aware that you were Homosexual, Zoroastrian.

“You keep narrowing the goal posts. ”

No, I posts keep getting moved and wider. This started with you calling me a moron which was both judgemental and inappropriate.

“I’m sorry but your questions are stock bs questions everyones heard and answered a hundred times.”

I can do the same thing Z: No yours are.

“Things are rough for the Zoroastrians under the Mullahs but nobody has been killed for practicing their religion, they just have BS taxes and stuff.”

Bullshit. Their is a guy with a print shop just down the street from me who fled the persecution of Iran. He was of the Bahai faith. There were many deaths.

My info comes from people who were actually persecuted: not from any of your bullshit libby sources.

“In any case, sorry to sound so self-righteous about the kiling and murder, but it is the truth that we have truthfully have seperated ourselves from the violence that plagues other religions that do seek to convert as many as possible – inclusing your own. ”

Then keep an open mind about the main line faiths of Christianity and Judaism. Both are Life – affirming Religions even tough they do not have control of some fringe maniacs. But that is with all people and religions, Z: there will always be a few nuts out there. When you say your Religion is stainless, my instincts say that is wrong.

Again, about your 3 questions – they are irrelevant to the fact that Muslim websites and most Muslim people are moderate. You may want them to be marching in the streets Vietnam style, but just because they don’t act exactly the way you want them to doesn’t mean they’re violent or terrorist sympathizers. Trust me, I wish some people in W. Va. didn’t call me a fag or a K_ k _ (Jewish deragatory) every time I went there, but they do. That doesn’t mean they’re going to lynch me.

You keep narrowing the goal posts. I’m sorry but your questions are stock bs questions everyones heard and answered a hundred times.

Any how, as I’ve said, and linked to, I have no love for the mullahs in Iran, and neither do most of their own people (see that was sort of my point with the links and all). You should understand that what happened to my people in Iran happened in the 8th century so as much as I would like to hold a grudge, it’s a little too late and considering most of the people in Iran are very little like their medievil predecesors I try to make a distinction. Things are rough for the Zoroastrians under the Mullahs but nobody has been killed for practicing their religion, they just have BS taxes and stuff. However, again – that is not really a reflection on Islam or the people of Iran, it’s a reflection on their asshole leaders.

The largest Zoroastrian community in a Muslim country is in Pakistan, and those people live well, almost embarrasingly well compared to the majority of the Muslims, so I hate to tell you that I don’t have a link, but I’ve been there and seen it with my own eyes – we practice our religion right out in the open – nobody has ever bothered our community there – not once.

In any case, sorry to sound so self-righteous about the kiling and murder, but it is the truth that we have truthfully have seperated ourselves from the violence that plagues other religions that do seek to convert as many as possible – inclusing your own. If anything we probably feel closest to Jews in that we prefer to practice our culture and beliefs in peace and have never sought out converts. That is not someting tht can be said of Christianity or Islam.

Huh? I thought that is what we were doing…

“You have swerved waaaay off of the original topic and frankly I’m kicking myself for even indulging your childish questions. ”

Way wrong. I’ve been playing defense almost the entire time. Those 3 questions (which you still haven’t completed) was my attempt to have you answer a question for once instead of dealing with all your judgemants about me.

“even indulging your childish questions.”

Fuck you, pal. Who are you to call me childish you Son of a Bitch. You can take your bullshit and shove it completely up your Holier-than-thou-Ass.

“There is more than enough blood on Christian, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim hands that nobody gets a pass.”

Oh, so lets all bow our heads in shame to Zoroastrian.

” If you can find a single murder committed by a Zoroastrian in the last century I will be happy to add myself to the list of the guilty, but until then, there isn’t much difference between you all when it comes to body counts.”

I knew this was coming. The Holier than thou cult of Zoroastrianism. Well, guess what, you just lost MY interst in your fucked-up Religion. I guess Pride isn’t considered a sin in Zoroastrianism you arrogant Son of a Bitch.

And probably the reason why they haven’t done anything wrong is because they don’t have the western press documenting every crime. Or maybe because they are so oppressed and persecuted in their home country the the Dhimmitude they are under won’t even allow the to blink without gettng their head chopped off.

… and by the way, I knew a family that emigrated from Iran. Infact we hosted their son at my house back in 1982. The kinds of stuff they told us would make you think twice about those Theocrats who are in power right now.

“Let me make one thing clear – the Muslims who riot over cartoons are mostly the same ones who would support terrorism. ”

Duh.

“These people are barbaric idiots, but they are not representative of the wider Muslim community from what I have seen, read and experienced from my own travel.

Bullshit. Site your sources. I have sited mine.

” Muslims on the whole, like most people, don’t riot over things. ”

But they do stage protests. I asked for protests. you have given me … crap.

” However if you bothered to read the articles I posted you would have noticed that Iranians held a candle light vigil on 9-11 and that several of the protests were actually about world wide terrorism, yes, even directed towards the west.”

That was all 9-11 stuff, … dude. Got anything more recent where they aren’t as terrified we’re gonna kick their asses?

“The only thing I did question was your stance that moderation in the Muslim world, and on Muslim websites is rare.”

And I say alot of it is Taqqiya Bullshit. If these so called moderate Muslims don’t start waking up and taking to the streets like … Americans during the Vietnam war, well, guess what… External Jihad may go bye bye and they will truly be forced to become a ‘religion of peace’ – with the PC police listening in to every hate filled sermon in their fucking mosques.

“Now if you want to perform some of your “analyses” on moderate Muslim websites looking for bias, please be my guest, but as I said previously, bias and moderation are NOT the same things.”

You haven’t asnwered 2 out of 3 of my questions… until then, i am not wasting my time.

“That doesn’t make them radical and as you have seen for yourself, there are many moderate websites.”

Look what happened to Lebanon when there reached a critical density of Muslims in their country in the 70’s, Zoroastrian? … and look what happens to your ‘people’ in Iran with a majority Muslim population…

“Completely contrary to your original assesment that moderate Muslim sites are rare, I think you have found out for yourself that it is the exact opposite. ”

Prove it. Where are the moderate Muslim Protestors? Where are they? Where are their fiery speeches? Not the quiet effeminate protestation of some obscure academic. This is a free country! Why are they not shouting from the roof tops like in the 60’s?

” Instead of admitting you were wrong, you fall back on this Taqiyya nonsense.”

Taqqiya is real, Zoroastrian. Meryl is constantly proving that on her website (where their proxies in the press do it). I believe it is inherent in their entire culture. Why don’t you ask some of your brothers being persecuted in Iran?

“As for sharia, please stop making wild accusations.”

Wild? I’ve sighted my sources. Stop all this holier than thou false judgements.

“But from a Zoroastrian perspective, your views on homosexuality “.

Whoa.. where did that come from? I think this is you swerving waaaay off the original discussion – which you have accused me of…

“And yes, I am being judgmental of your judgementalism. ”

Back at ‘cha buddy. If you are a representative of Zoroastrianism, I am unimpressed.

Dude… you are a fool.

I am about to evoke Godwins Law:

There were many ‘Moderate’ Germans and Scandanavians who promoted the Nazis prior to World War II. they spoke in mild tones but queitly they approved.

Eventually… those peoples chose which side they were one. So far, the ‘Moderate’ Muslims have not done that. This is what the Political Right is constantly talking about when they say just what I say: Where are the massive protests.

Let me make one thing clear – the Muslims who riot over cartoons are mostly the same ones who would support terrorism. These people are barbaric idiots, but they are not representative of the wider Muslim community from what I have seen, read and experienced from my own travel. Muslims on the whole, like most people, don’t riot over things. However if you bothered to read the articles I posted you would have noticed that Iranians held a candle light vigil on 9-11 and that several of the protests were actually about world wide terrorism, yes, even directed towards the west.

Second, when you say “Dude, I have gone to all your links. have you even gone to mine. have you even tried to refuted the thousand upon thousand of deaths from Muslim aggression? No…”

This makes no sense since I am the one that brought up sites like those in the first place, but more importantly, never once did I ever dispute that Muslims are responsible for death, hatred and destruction throughout the world. The only thing I did question was your stance that moderation in the Muslim world, and on Muslim websites is rare.

Now if you want to perform some of your “analyses” on moderate Muslim websites looking for bias, please be my guest, but as I said previously, bias and moderation are NOT the same things. For example, I would hope that Meryl would accept the fact that her blog is biased towards Jewish issues, not because she is Jewish, but because it is clear she is writing from a Jewish perspective. I doubt she would deny that. By the same token, you can expect many Muslim blogs or websites to be biased towards a Muslim perspective – so what? That doesn’t make them radical and as you have seen for yourself, there are many moderate websites. Completely contrary to your original assesment that moderate Muslim sites are rare, I think you have found out for yourself that it is the exact opposite. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you fall back on this Taqiyya nonsense. Essentially you need to admit you don’t believe there can be moderate Muslims so people can discount you as a source of peace and reconciliation – that is all I’m asking.

As for sharia, please stop making wild accusations. I never said Christian and Jewish lifestyles were the same as Sharia law, But from a Zoroastrian perspective, your views on homosexuality and your non-acceptance of other religions is pretty barbarous. And yes, I am being judgmental of your judgementalism.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php ”

Yea… this is all about 9-11 and how scared shitless that the Muslims were right after that when they thought thet the US was going to go and kick their collective asses.

You hear them protest about Guantanamo or some poorly drawn cartoons of the ‘Prophet’ or what the Pope said quoting a long dead Byzantine Emperor…

Lets here them protest about all these…

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

where are your Mulsim websites protesting these, Zoroastrian?

The implication here is that I am, how do you say it? Someone “who have (has)shown themelves to be morally, intellectually and spiritually weak.”

“Really, just go here anyway- http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php”

Dude, I have gone to all your links. have you even gone to mine. have you even tried to refuted the thousand upon thousand of deaths from Muslim aggression? No…

“Condo, if my post is too long or too confusing, just go here:”
“Really, just go here anyway- ”

Also, I am getting sick of your condescension. You don’t know me and you don’t have any idea about my background and yet you continually write with veiled ridicule.

“I’m bored now – good luck condo. ”

Then go away. Your views are flawed and out of touch with reality. If you think that Islam is peaceful and ‘moderate’, then live in one of their countries under sharia law.

If us Christians and Jews are no better than they are, then the transition should be easy, shouldn’t it, Zoroastrian?