Comments on: Hamas’ leader: Second verse, same as the first http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419 Cutting straight to the point Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:14:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Meryl Yourish http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419/comment-page-1#comment-23486 Meryl Yourish Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:43:58 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419#comment-23486 Anonymous, that's what I mean. There is no change in Hamas' stance. "Full right-of-return" means flooding Israel with the remaining original refugees, their children, their grandchildren, their great-grandchildren, anyone who has married into their families, etc., etc. Go see what's considered "refugee" status on the UN site. They consider fourth-generation American citizens to be palestinian refugees with the "right of return." Destroying Israel by warfare, or destroying it by demographics, is still the destruction of Israel. See also "hudna: Muhammed & the Jews" for further reference. It is a time to rearm, only. Ten years down the line, Hamas would attack in greater strength. Their model is the Koran, which they state explicitly in their charter. Also, take a gander at their charter. Their stance will not change, only the methods of deception they use on people willing to believe they are changing. Sorry, but you're one of them. Anonymous, that’s what I mean. There is no change in Hamas’ stance. “Full right-of-return” means flooding Israel with the remaining original refugees, their children, their grandchildren, their great-grandchildren, anyone who has married into their families, etc., etc. Go see what’s considered “refugee” status on the UN site. They consider fourth-generation American citizens to be palestinian refugees with the “right of return.”

Destroying Israel by warfare, or destroying it by demographics, is still the destruction of Israel.

See also “hudna: Muhammed & the Jews” for further reference. It is a time to rearm, only. Ten years down the line, Hamas would attack in greater strength. Their model is the Koran, which they state explicitly in their charter. Also, take a gander at their charter. Their stance will not change, only the methods of deception they use on people willing to believe they are changing.

Sorry, but you’re one of them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419/comment-page-1#comment-23483 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:12:19 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419#comment-23483 The article Meryl links to is pretty damning, but on the other hand you've got a senior Hamas leader talking about a 10-year truce in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to the Green Line (and, though the article doesn't mention it, full right-of-return): http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1164881867574&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull These terms are obviously unacceptable to Israel, but so far as I know, Hamas didn't even broach the possibility of a truce before 2004. That's what I personally meant when I wrote that Hamas had moderated its stance. But if in January 2006 some editorialist had written that Hamas would moderate its stance to the point where they would recognize Israel and embrace nonviolent resistance, then I would agree with Meryl that the writer was a moron. The article Meryl links to is pretty damning, but on the other hand you’ve got a senior Hamas leader talking about a 10-year truce in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to the Green Line (and, though the article doesn’t mention it, full right-of-return): http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1164881867574&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

These terms are obviously unacceptable to Israel, but so far as I know, Hamas didn’t even broach the possibility of a truce before 2004. That’s what I personally meant when I wrote that Hamas had moderated its stance. But if in January 2006 some editorialist had written that Hamas would moderate its stance to the point where they would recognize Israel and embrace nonviolent resistance, then I would agree with Meryl that the writer was a moron.

]]> By: Tatterdemalian http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419/comment-page-1#comment-23463 Tatterdemalian Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:40:42 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419#comment-23463 When the Nazi Party was elected to power in Germany, it too was taken as a sign that they were moderating their stance. In hindsight, it should have been realized that it was not a sign of the Nazis taking a more moderate stance, but of the German people taking a more extreme one. There is no excuse for pretending the election of Hamas indicates they are taking a more moderate stance. Anyone who does so is either a fool, or a collaborating Jew-hater. When the Nazi Party was elected to power in Germany, it too was taken as a sign that they were moderating their stance. In hindsight, it should have been realized that it was not a sign of the Nazis taking a more moderate stance, but of the German people taking a more extreme one.

There is no excuse for pretending the election of Hamas indicates they are taking a more moderate stance. Anyone who does so is either a fool, or a collaborating Jew-hater.

]]> By: Morris http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419/comment-page-1#comment-23461 Morris Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:05 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419#comment-23461 All the pali terror groups (including any PA in the past and foreseeable future) call for the destruction of Israel. Well, what can you do? - old habits die hard. It's just a shame the world chooses to ignore these things. Heck, if Olmert and pals ignore it, why should I complain about the world? All the pali terror groups (including any PA in the past and foreseeable future) call for the destruction of Israel. Well, what can you do? – old habits die hard.
It’s just a shame the world chooses to ignore these things. Heck, if Olmert and pals ignore it, why should I complain about the world?

]]> By: Paul http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419/comment-page-1#comment-23460 Paul Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:05:05 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/12/11/2419#comment-23460 Hanas wants one thing-the destruction of Israel! They do not want a dialogue or a peace ! Hanas wants one thing-the destruction of Israel! They do not want a dialogue or a peace !

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