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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB,
Please also note that this verse is in the sexual purity section of Leviticus in the midst of commandments describing the many sexual relationships that are prohibited.</description>
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Please also note that this verse is in the sexual purity section of Leviticus in the midst of commandments describing the many sexual relationships that are prohibited.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23179</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB,

I don&#039;t know if you are trying to be rude and offensive to divert attention away from the fact that you don&#039;t have a reasonable answer to my question or if you are just naive of your poor choice of words; nevertheless, please just answer the last part of my original post to you: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;What is Leviticus 18:22 referring to if not homosexual relationships?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, this is the verse in question: 
&quot;You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination.&quot;

Please, don&#039;t get defensive - I truly don&#039;t understand what else this could possibly be referring to, symbolizing, or suggesting if not homosexual relationships.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LynnB,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you are trying to be rude and offensive to divert attention away from the fact that you don&#8217;t have a reasonable answer to my question or if you are just naive of your poor choice of words; nevertheless, please just answer the last part of my original post to you: </p>
<blockquote><p>What is Leviticus 18:22 referring to if not homosexual relationships?</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, this is the verse in question:<br />
&#8220;You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, don&#8217;t get defensive &#8211; I truly don&#8217;t understand what else this could possibly be referring to, symbolizing, or suggesting if not homosexual relationships.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: scott jeffreys</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23174</link>
		<dc:creator>scott jeffreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an above poster said that when you remove religion from the argument you cant find reasons to prohibit gay marriage. this is not so. here are a couple of arguments:

(1) the legalization of gay marriage further legitimisizes homosexuality. This is not good. Homosexual intercourse is very risky. When you legitimisize something it increases the likelyhood of pepople experimenting with it who otherwise wouldnt. Why encourage a lifestyle that is risky?

(2) With gay marriage comes the legalization of gay adoption. Men and women are different, and two men or two women cant give to a child what a man and woman can, unless of course you beleive there is no difference between the sexes. Children need both parents.

(3) How can you legalize gay marriage and not legalize polyamourous relationships? If this is a justice issue how can you deny justice to people who want the state to recongize multiple partner relationships? Especially since some people feel they were born with an attraction to people of both sexes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an above poster said that when you remove religion from the argument you cant find reasons to prohibit gay marriage. this is not so. here are a couple of arguments:</p>
<p>(1) the legalization of gay marriage further legitimisizes homosexuality. This is not good. Homosexual intercourse is very risky. When you legitimisize something it increases the likelyhood of pepople experimenting with it who otherwise wouldnt. Why encourage a lifestyle that is risky?</p>
<p>(2) With gay marriage comes the legalization of gay adoption. Men and women are different, and two men or two women cant give to a child what a man and woman can, unless of course you beleive there is no difference between the sexes. Children need both parents.</p>
<p>(3) How can you legalize gay marriage and not legalize polyamourous relationships? If this is a justice issue how can you deny justice to people who want the state to recongize multiple partner relationships? Especially since some people feel they were born with an attraction to people of both sexes?</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23153</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, oh, man. The cat ate my homework. Sorry. 

(I&#039;ll go see if I can find it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, oh, man. The cat ate my homework. Sorry. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll go see if I can find it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23151</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl, did you do your homework yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl, did you do your homework yet?</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23086</link>
		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kev -

That is, of course, the verse I was referring to.  And if you can&#039;t figure out why that&#039;s physically impossible if construed literally, I can&#039;t help you.  (But see: anatomy 101)

Please also note that neither this commandment nor any other makes any reference to lesbianism.  And please don&#039;t tell me it should be inferred.  In the very next verse, there are two separate (and unambiguous) prohibitions against sex with animals - one for men and one for women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kev -</p>
<p>That is, of course, the verse I was referring to.  And if you can&#8217;t figure out why that&#8217;s physically impossible if construed literally, I can&#8217;t help you.  (But see: anatomy 101)</p>
<p>Please also note that neither this commandment nor any other makes any reference to lesbianism.  And please don&#8217;t tell me it should be inferred.  In the very next verse, there are two separate (and unambiguous) prohibitions against sex with animals &#8211; one for men and one for women.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Other than one verse in Leviticus prohibiting an act that, strictly speaking, is impossible to perform, the Tanach doesn’t address this issue at all. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you explain why it is impossible to preform this?

According to Leviticus:
You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination.

What is this referring to if not homosexual relationships?

-Kev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LynnB,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Other than one verse in Leviticus prohibiting an act that, strictly speaking, is impossible to perform, the Tanach doesn’t address this issue at all. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you explain why it is impossible to preform this?</p>
<p>According to Leviticus:<br />
You shall not lie down with a male, as with a woman: this is an abomination.</p>
<p>What is this referring to if not homosexual relationships?</p>
<p>-Kev</p>
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		<title>By: wolfa</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23054</link>
		<dc:creator>wolfa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the &quot;but what if the rest of the Middle East ends up hating Israel more?&quot; responses. (By which we mean governments, not individual people.) How much more can they hate Israel?

Of course an infertile couple can be infertile because of anatomical reasons -- you can have a ill-shaped uterus, say, or one of a zillion other anatomical things gone wrong. Or perhaps you can be past menopause. 

If all marriages depend on having children to be raising -- well, lots of straight couples will be suddenly unmarried. (It can&#039;t be the potential for having kids: anyone can adopt.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the &#8220;but what if the rest of the Middle East ends up hating Israel more?&#8221; responses. (By which we mean governments, not individual people.) How much more can they hate Israel?</p>
<p>Of course an infertile couple can be infertile because of anatomical reasons &#8212; you can have a ill-shaped uterus, say, or one of a zillion other anatomical things gone wrong. Or perhaps you can be past menopause. </p>
<p>If all marriages depend on having children to be raising &#8212; well, lots of straight couples will be suddenly unmarried. (It can&#8217;t be the potential for having kids: anyone can adopt.)</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2324/comment-page-1#comment-23053</link>
		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frmby97 - 

Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible does the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob condemn homosexuality or say anything whatsoever about inheriting the kingdom of heaven.  Other than one verse in Leviticus prohibiting an act that, strictly speaking, is impossible to perform, the Tanach doesn&#039;t address this issue at all.  

And there&#039;s nothing in the Biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah about censensual homosexual sex.  Oddly enough, the story condemns homosexual rape, while seeming to condone heterosexual rape, but that&#039;s another debate for another day.
 
All of which is more or less tangential to the question of how Israel, which is NOT a theocracy, can recognize gay marriages performed in Canada.  For the answer to that, see Rahel&#039;s comment above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frmby97 &#8211; </p>
<p>Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible does the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob condemn homosexuality or say anything whatsoever about inheriting the kingdom of heaven.  Other than one verse in Leviticus prohibiting an act that, strictly speaking, is impossible to perform, the Tanach doesn&#8217;t address this issue at all.  </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s nothing in the Biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah about censensual homosexual sex.  Oddly enough, the story condemns homosexual rape, while seeming to condone heterosexual rape, but that&#8217;s another debate for another day.</p>
<p>All of which is more or less tangential to the question of how Israel, which is NOT a theocracy, can recognize gay marriages performed in Canada.  For the answer to that, see Rahel&#8217;s comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

The Israeli government is in fact very different from ours.  For one thing, they don&#039;t have a constitution.  For another, it&#039;s a parliamentary system, which I&#039;m not even going to begin to try to explain.  Israel has a law that says marriages performed and recognized by authorities outside the State will be recognized and honored within the State.  There&#039;s current no exception in that Law for same sex marriages.  So the High Court simply followed the Law.  

My guess is that there will now be a campaign to add an exception to the Law in the very near future.  We&#039;ll see where that goes.

In one respect, Israel is not different from the US.  The judiciary doesn&#039;t make decisions based on polls.  Thank God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>The Israeli government is in fact very different from ours.  For one thing, they don&#8217;t have a constitution.  For another, it&#8217;s a parliamentary system, which I&#8217;m not even going to begin to try to explain.  Israel has a law that says marriages performed and recognized by authorities outside the State will be recognized and honored within the State.  There&#8217;s current no exception in that Law for same sex marriages.  So the High Court simply followed the Law.  </p>
<p>My guess is that there will now be a campaign to add an exception to the Law in the very near future.  We&#8217;ll see where that goes.</p>
<p>In one respect, Israel is not different from the US.  The judiciary doesn&#8217;t make decisions based on polls.  Thank God.</p>
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