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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23135</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, holiday&#039;s over, and it&#039;s my turn now.

Dean, regarding your ad hominem crack in the comment above about my seeking more traffic from you: Well, you&#039;re up to a whole 274 referrers as of midnight Nov. 24th. In the same period of time just two days earlier, I received over 3,000 referrers from the Instalink I got. I&#039;m thinking you&#039;re not the go-to guy for referrers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, holiday&#8217;s over, and it&#8217;s my turn now.</p>
<p>Dean, regarding your ad hominem crack in the comment above about my seeking more traffic from you: Well, you&#8217;re up to a whole 274 referrers as of midnight Nov. 24th. In the same period of time just two days earlier, I received over 3,000 referrers from the Instalink I got. I&#8217;m thinking you&#8217;re not the go-to guy for referrers here.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23112</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, it&#039;s Thanksgiving. Give it a rest for a day. That goes for the rest of you, too.

And no thanks on the novel. I don&#039;t read drafts from anyone other than the members of my writer&#039;s group or my fellow Clarion grads. It&#039;s a very old policy of mine.

By the way, a tip on posting in my comments: Spam Karma looks for people who post comments right after one another, and pushes them into moderation. You might want to slow down, or put your thoughts in one comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, it&#8217;s Thanksgiving. Give it a rest for a day. That goes for the rest of you, too.</p>
<p>And no thanks on the novel. I don&#8217;t read drafts from anyone other than the members of my writer&#8217;s group or my fellow Clarion grads. It&#8217;s a very old policy of mine.</p>
<p>By the way, a tip on posting in my comments: Spam Karma looks for people who post comments right after one another, and pushes them into moderation. You might want to slow down, or put your thoughts in one comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Etienne Foucalt</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23111</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Foucalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, he doesn&#039;t know how to engage in civilized debate. Does he address the fact that he constantly denigrates the women with whom he disagrees, using the harshest misogynistic language? No. Rather, he resorts to the old &quot;I have plenty of black/gay/minority/ friends tactic&quot; except here&#039;s it&#039;s obviously women. Does he address the fact that his discourses inevitably end up mired in /spitting and name calling and hate-filled diatribes and that in any of his &quot;interactions&quot; with people like Malkin and Spencer he hasn&#039;t once been able to hold his own without resorting to peurile insults (or as is more often the case, promising a rebuttal in a few days hence, then when he finally does get around to it more or less shrugging it off and filling his posts with vapid, misleading points because, frankly, most of his readers have probably moved on to other topics)? No, instead he focuses on the more minor of the two points, that I called him out on his apparent misogyny. (I wonder how his wife would react to being called a c--t because he disagreed with her views? Even Ann Coultar, whom he reviles with undisguised disgust, has never once written anything as blatlently hateful as Esmay has about her.)

Here&#039;s a non-sequitur, while I am at it: Dean loves to claim people engage him in &quot;blogwars&quot; because they&#039;re obviously leeching off his magnificent web traffic. Please. Unless someone is making their entire income off the revenue generated by ads, I seriously doubt any self-respecting blogger would try to leech traffic off his or anyone else&#039;s site. It&#039;s simply not worth it. Plus, blogwars usually bring over the most unhinged zealots from the blog supposedly being leeched. Nobody wants that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, he doesn&#8217;t know how to engage in civilized debate. Does he address the fact that he constantly denigrates the women with whom he disagrees, using the harshest misogynistic language? No. Rather, he resorts to the old &#8220;I have plenty of black/gay/minority/ friends tactic&#8221; except here&#8217;s it&#8217;s obviously women. Does he address the fact that his discourses inevitably end up mired in /spitting and name calling and hate-filled diatribes and that in any of his &#8220;interactions&#8221; with people like Malkin and Spencer he hasn&#8217;t once been able to hold his own without resorting to peurile insults (or as is more often the case, promising a rebuttal in a few days hence, then when he finally does get around to it more or less shrugging it off and filling his posts with vapid, misleading points because, frankly, most of his readers have probably moved on to other topics)? No, instead he focuses on the more minor of the two points, that I called him out on his apparent misogyny. (I wonder how his wife would react to being called a c&#8211;t because he disagreed with her views? Even Ann Coultar, whom he reviles with undisguised disgust, has never once written anything as blatlently hateful as Esmay has about her.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a non-sequitur, while I am at it: Dean loves to claim people engage him in &#8220;blogwars&#8221; because they&#8217;re obviously leeching off his magnificent web traffic. Please. Unless someone is making their entire income off the revenue generated by ads, I seriously doubt any self-respecting blogger would try to leech traffic off his or anyone else&#8217;s site. It&#8217;s simply not worth it. Plus, blogwars usually bring over the most unhinged zealots from the blog supposedly being leeched. Nobody wants that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23110</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl,

You are one of the few bloggers who has learnt how to totally deflate Esmay. Just quote from his misquotes.

He has a long history of mentally unbalanced behavior online, as well as bizarreness. He will write racist posts mocking blacks, then say he is not bigoted, he will support loony anti-AIDS science, and claim he&#039;s pro-science, and he will support Prez Bush no matter what, including the vile Schiavo debacle, and claim he&#039;s a liberal.

But, it&#039;s really fun  when he delves into history. I was banned when I pointed out his folly on the Vietnam War, and that his bizarre responses were part of his Tourette&#039;s Syndrome:

http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007306.html

Look # 19 on the list. The fact is that Esmay has created an echo chamber of a few dozen sycophants and acolytes, and has banned dozens of people who disagree with him, some for far less crimes than merely pointing out his history of Vietnam is balled up.

BTW- good shot on Wikipedia. Esmay is one of the few defenders that has left. I&#039;ve known a few dozen admins on that site who have left it for the new rival, Citizendium, where expertise and factuality actually count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl,</p>
<p>You are one of the few bloggers who has learnt how to totally deflate Esmay. Just quote from his misquotes.</p>
<p>He has a long history of mentally unbalanced behavior online, as well as bizarreness. He will write racist posts mocking blacks, then say he is not bigoted, he will support loony anti-AIDS science, and claim he&#8217;s pro-science, and he will support Prez Bush no matter what, including the vile Schiavo debacle, and claim he&#8217;s a liberal.</p>
<p>But, it&#8217;s really fun  when he delves into history. I was banned when I pointed out his folly on the Vietnam War, and that his bizarre responses were part of his Tourette&#8217;s Syndrome:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007306.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007306.html</a></p>
<p>Look # 19 on the list. The fact is that Esmay has created an echo chamber of a few dozen sycophants and acolytes, and has banned dozens of people who disagree with him, some for far less crimes than merely pointing out his history of Vietnam is balled up.</p>
<p>BTW- good shot on Wikipedia. Esmay is one of the few defenders that has left. I&#8217;ve known a few dozen admins on that site who have left it for the new rival, Citizendium, where expertise and factuality actually count.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23108</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl,

This latest comment is typical Esmay: no acknowledgment of the falsehoods he has written about me -- either the one noted above here or the ones he has written elsewhere. Instead, slurs and defamation, with no attempt ever to deal with the substance of what I actually do say.

If Dean Esmay were to attempt to substantiate his Henry Ford slur with actual quotations from my writings, he would immediately find himself unable to do so. But he never even makes the attempt. And then, improbably enough after this relentless slander, ridicule, defamation, and worse, he assumes the moral high ground.

But I am happy to see in this comment thread that people realize what is going on.

Cordially
Robert Spencer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl,</p>
<p>This latest comment is typical Esmay: no acknowledgment of the falsehoods he has written about me &#8212; either the one noted above here or the ones he has written elsewhere. Instead, slurs and defamation, with no attempt ever to deal with the substance of what I actually do say.</p>
<p>If Dean Esmay were to attempt to substantiate his Henry Ford slur with actual quotations from my writings, he would immediately find himself unable to do so. But he never even makes the attempt. And then, improbably enough after this relentless slander, ridicule, defamation, and worse, he assumes the moral high ground.</p>
<p>But I am happy to see in this comment thread that people realize what is going on.</p>
<p>Cordially<br />
Robert Spencer</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Bernard</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23107</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean...... Don&#039;t be that guy. The way your posting here with the multiple posts in a row... and harping on one weird curveball.... Don&#039;t be that guy. It takes away from your intellectual position.

this is especially true as your focusing on a point thats irrelivent (the weird hates women thing) and not focusing on the larger point involved in the thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean&#8230;&#8230; Don&#8217;t be that guy. The way your posting here with the multiple posts in a row&#8230; and harping on one weird curveball&#8230;. Don&#8217;t be that guy. It takes away from your intellectual position.</p>
<p>this is especially true as your focusing on a point thats irrelivent (the weird hates women thing) and not focusing on the larger point involved in the thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23106</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want a copy of the novel, Meryl?

As crazy as I must be to make this offer, I think you might actually like it. In fact I&#039;d bet you&#039;d like it a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want a copy of the novel, Meryl?</p>
<p>As crazy as I must be to make this offer, I think you might actually like it. In fact I&#8217;d bet you&#8217;d like it a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23105</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etienne&#039;s comments mostly amuse me, because they&#039;re so dishonest and so shallow.

Oh it&#039;s certainly true that Meryl and I go back a long way, on arguments that we need not revisit here. But the idea that I hate or disrespect women? ROFLMAO.

In fact I am very supportive of independent and strong women. I am also a very strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish people. Robert Spencer? Not so much, since his islamophobic reasoning is not much different from Henry Ford&#039;s antisemitic &quot;reasoning.&quot; 

I hate women? Yeah that&#039;s why I&#039;ve sponsored and promoted so many female bloggers, and invited so many women to be co-bloggers on Dean&#039;s World, and never told a single one of them what to write or how to write it. LOL. Ask Mary Madigan or Shay or Jane Novak how much I &quot;disrespect women.&quot;

Indeed, just ask why it is that I just spent three years of my life writing a book with a strong, independent woman as the main protagonist.

Meryl decided some years ago that she despised me because I did not agree that women were always victims and men were always abusers in domestic violence situations. Because I had seen female abusers firsthand.

Ah yeah but I hate women. Next up: I hate Jews. No matter what I&#039;ve ever done to support Israel and condemn anti-semites, it won&#039;t matter: I&#039;ve noted one Jewish terrorist.

I love it Etienne, I love it. I hate women. Tell me more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etienne&#8217;s comments mostly amuse me, because they&#8217;re so dishonest and so shallow.</p>
<p>Oh it&#8217;s certainly true that Meryl and I go back a long way, on arguments that we need not revisit here. But the idea that I hate or disrespect women? ROFLMAO.</p>
<p>In fact I am very supportive of independent and strong women. I am also a very strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish people. Robert Spencer? Not so much, since his islamophobic reasoning is not much different from Henry Ford&#8217;s antisemitic &#8220;reasoning.&#8221; </p>
<p>I hate women? Yeah that&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve sponsored and promoted so many female bloggers, and invited so many women to be co-bloggers on Dean&#8217;s World, and never told a single one of them what to write or how to write it. LOL. Ask Mary Madigan or Shay or Jane Novak how much I &#8220;disrespect women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, just ask why it is that I just spent three years of my life writing a book with a strong, independent woman as the main protagonist.</p>
<p>Meryl decided some years ago that she despised me because I did not agree that women were always victims and men were always abusers in domestic violence situations. Because I had seen female abusers firsthand.</p>
<p>Ah yeah but I hate women. Next up: I hate Jews. No matter what I&#8217;ve ever done to support Israel and condemn anti-semites, it won&#8217;t matter: I&#8217;ve noted one Jewish terrorist.</p>
<p>I love it Etienne, I love it. I hate women. Tell me more.</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23095</link>
		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP -

Got it.  (And FWIW, I always found him to be quite humble when I studied with him years ago in Boston.  The mileage of others may vary.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP -</p>
<p>Got it.  (And FWIW, I always found him to be quite humble when I studied with him years ago in Boston.  The mileage of others may vary.)</p>
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		<title>By: HokiePundit</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/11/21/2319/comment-page-1#comment-23093</link>
		<dc:creator>HokiePundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB,

Wow, I&#039;m sorry.  I read &quot;Dawn&quot; in high school and it somehow escaped me that it wasn&#039;t actually part two of Wiesel&#039;s autobiography.  I offer my sincere apology for my intended slur on Wiesel (although he does apparently have a reputation for being conceited).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LynnB,</p>
<p>Wow, I&#8217;m sorry.  I read &#8220;Dawn&#8221; in high school and it somehow escaped me that it wasn&#8217;t actually part two of Wiesel&#8217;s autobiography.  I offer my sincere apology for my intended slur on Wiesel (although he does apparently have a reputation for being conceited).</p>
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