You’re welcome, Dean
I should charge an editor’s fee for this post. It’s about my post extolling the video that uses the late Rabbi Meir Kahane’s “Open Letter to the World.” I said in that post that even though it was written by Kahane, it was still true, and valid today.
The reason I deserve an editor’s fee? Dean sent me an email with the gist of that post in it because, he said, he didn’t want to start a blogwar. But then he posted about it, but neither linked nor mentioned me by name. I guess in Dean’s mind, if you don’t mention someone by name, it doesn’t count as a public fight, mostly because the person being written about doesn’t have a chance to respond. And you know me: Never willing to argue about anything. Nope. Not me. Nuh-uh.
I thought I’d respond in the way most bloggers do: In a post that mentions Dean by name and links to the post about me. Because I think he owes me an editor’s fee. The post that went up had a much better argument than the email I received. Of course, it’s still wrong, but it’s better written than the first draft.
Without my response to him, he’d be using Al Capone as the comparison figure to Meir Kahane. I pointed out in my email that Capone was a criminal, plain and simple, and had nothing at all in common with Kahane, who did not work for personal gain, but for the survival of his people. Dean’s post uses a much better argument now, substituting Charles Manson and changing the comparison to something that makes a lot more sense, if you ignore the silly logic of it.
Mind you, Dean’s argument is simply confounding to me. He essentially agrees with me that almost everything in the video, which quotes Rabbi Kahane’s words, is true. That is what I said in my update to the post. He then goes on to say that his problems aren’t with the words, but with the man who wrote them. That no man who is (in his words) a “slimeball who founded a terrorist organization” can have said anything that was true or worthwhile. Fruit of the poison tree, I suppose, is what he’s trying to say. But I disagree. The words are valid. The ideas are valid. Other Jews have said them. Hell, I’ve said most of them. Just because Meir Kahane said them does not make them invalid.
Dean prefaces his post with the phrase “I try to avoid blogwars.” (I think Robert Spencer might disagree with that.) Yeah, I mostly do, too, but then, if I’m going to disagree with someone in a post, I’m generally going to quote the person and attribute the quote to the person. There are some times when I just have to lay into someone with a virtual two-by-four. Not that I’m doing that here. I’m just pointing out the facts of the situation. Facts about statements like this:
Both the U.S. State Department and the State of Israel designate Kach and Kahane Chai as terrorists and criminals.
Dean is quoting Wikipedia. When you click on the link, you get this:
The factual accuracy of part of this article is disputed.
The dispute is about The US State Department, Israeli Government, and European Union all consider these groups as terrorist organizations. This article deals with all of these groups.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.
Oops. Better go read the talk part to see if the above is certain.
Then we have this statement:
Indeed, Kach and Kahane Kai were shown to the world to be vile scumbags when Jewish terrorist Baruch Goldstein committed one of the greatest terrorist atrocities of the 1990s.
The fact that Baruch Goldstein was a terrorist is not in dispute. What I dispute is the incident being labeled “one of the greatest terrorist atrocities of the 1990s.”
Update 11/22: In the comments, Dean points out that I dropped the word “Jewish” in the above quote. He is correct. Which makes his statement even more puzzling, as you can count the incidents of Jewish terrorism on the fingers of one hand, possibly two at most. Baruch Goldstein would be just about the only example of Jewish terrorism in the 1990s. As you can see by the list below, there are many, many more examples of Islamic terrorism. [end update]
This is a habit of Dean’s. He takes an atypical incident and inflates it, then uses it as an example when describing similar incidents. He especially seems to like doing this with Judaism. In fact, he has a pretty annoying tendency to bring Judaism into almost every argument about Islam, and it’s never in a complimentary fashion. Because, gee, religious Jews are just like religious Muslims, right? (Well, except for the fact that you can count the number of incidents where religious or extremist Jews attacked Muslims–or others–on the fingers of one hand.)
“One of the greatest terrorist atrocities of the 1990s”? I think not. In fact, I don’t think it even makes the top ten.
1992: March 17: Israeli Embassy bombing by “Islamic Jihad” in Buenos Aires, Argentina; 29 killed, 242 injured.
1993: February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills 6 and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra’/Gamaat Islamiya/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/National Islamic Front [10], see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, Ramzi Yousef.
1993: March 12: Mumbai car bombings in India leave 257 dead with 1,400 others injured.
1994: July 18: Bombing of Jewish Center in Buenos Aires, Argentina, kills 86 and wounds 300. Generally attributed to Hezbollah acting on behalf of Iran.
1995: March 20: Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway by AUM Shinrikyo cultists kills 12 and injures 6000.
1995: April 19: Oklahoma City bombing kills 168 people, 19 of them children; the most deadly act of domestic terrorism in the United States to date.
1995: June 14—June 19: Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis, 105 civilians and 25 Russian troops were killed.
1996: January: In Kizlyar, 350 Chechen militants took 3,000 hostages in a hospital. The attempt to free them kills 65 civilians and soldiers.
1996: January 31: LTTE carries out Central Bank Bombing in Sri Lanka kills 90 and wounds 1,400.
1996: February 25 - March 4: A series of four suicide bombings in Israel leave 60 dead and 284 wounded within 10 days.
1996: June 25: Khobar Towers bombing — In all, 19 U.S. servicemen and one Saudi were killed and 372 wounded, by Hizballah Al-Hijaz (Saudi Hizballah) with Iranian support, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
1996: July 24: LTTE plants bomb on commuter train in Sri Lanka kills 57.
1997: November 17: Luxor Massacre – Islamist gunmen attack tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 62 people, most of them European and Japanese vacationers.
1997: December 22: Acteal massacre – 46 killed while praying in Acteal, Chiapas, Mexico. A paramilitary group associated with ex-president Salinas is held responsible.
1998: February 14: 1998 Coimbatore bombings - Bombings by suspected Islamic Jihadi groups on an election rally in Indian city of Coimbatore kill about 60 people.
1998: August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000, by al-Qaeda, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
1998: August 15: Omagh bombing by the so-called “Real IRA” kills 29.
Phew, that was tiring. And those were only the attacks that killed at least 29 people (except for WTC1, the sarin gas, and Khobar Towers incidents, which deserve to be on the list). I think if you changed the phrase to “one of the very few examples of Jewish terrorism,” it’d be a more accurate phrase. But that’s just me.
Now to Dean’s conclusion:
Yeah Kahane might make some valid points now and then. So what? Terrorism is not acceptable. If the the State of Israel–under both conservative and liberal governments–brands Kahane as a terrorist, then so far as I am concerned he is a terrorist. The Israelis are not fools: they know what terrorism is. Intimately.
Actually, Dean, Kahane can’t “make some valid points now and then.” All of the points he made are now then, if you get my drift. Because he was murdered in 1990 by—you guessed it—an Islamic terrorist. Dean’s gripe with me is that I quote a man who, to him, is a terrorist. I agree that he was an extremist. I said that I don’t agree with many of the things he said. What Kahane was not wrong about, however, is the subject of his Open Letter. Kahane’s point was that the world will not protect Jews, in fact, that the world stands by while Jews are killed or actively slaughters Jews, and that we must protect ourselves. That’s why the JDL came into being.
Every single word in his Open Letter to the World was true when he wrote it, and is still true today. Dean is not challenging the points in the letter. He is challenging my approval of the letter itself, and the video made to the words of the letter. I’m not about to change my approval of it because I disagree with much of what he said on other topics. If anyone but Kahane had written the Open Letter, Dean would be agreeing with it unquestioningly.
I simply don’t see the problem, other than Dean’s unfathomable need for me to agree with what he says.
As for this quoting an “anonymous” blogger because you don’t want to have a fight over it—well, a discussion is not a blogwar. You don’t get to have the discussion with me in email, pretend it’s concluded, and then respond to me in public, without my getting my two cents in. Not naming me doesn’t mean I don’t know who you’re talking about.
Now my readers know, too.
Countdown to ad hominem response may commence.
