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	<title>Comments on: The war in Lebanon: Win or lose?</title>
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		<title>By: Youshi</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-18700</link>
		<dc:creator>Youshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the first time in its history israel has lost a war..hezbollah won its sad 2 say but it is true</description>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17361</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, having read a little Poonwalla, I think I can say he takes up a much-needed space in the blogosphere.
That said, though, there are reasonable people, who are very much pro-Israel and who have good professional credentials -- including Ralph Peters -- who disagree with Olmert&#039;s decision not to go full-tilt-boogie into Lebanon.
I think they&#039;re missing several things -- and, more and more, I&#039;m thinking that I&#039;ve seriously underrated Olmert -- but that&#039;s another issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, having read a little Poonwalla, I think I can say he takes up a much-needed space in the blogosphere.</p>
<p>That said, though, there are reasonable people, who are very much pro-Israel and who have good professional credentials &#8212; including Ralph Peters &#8212; who disagree with Olmert&#8217;s decision not to go full-tilt-boogie into Lebanon.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re missing several things &#8212; and, more and more, I&#8217;m thinking that I&#8217;ve seriously underrated Olmert &#8212; but that&#8217;s another issue.</p>
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		<title>By: cond0010</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17358</link>
		<dc:creator>cond0010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous above was me.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous above was me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17357</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(* As a matter of fact, Aziz is directly responsible for my title of Master of Juvenile Scornâ„¢. *)
I agree that &#039;Mistress of Juvenile Scorn&#039; also doesn&#039;t fit.
However, after seeing your pic for the first time, and the fact that you kinda look like Xena the warrior princess (in the dark, when I&#039;m squinting, behind a wall...), and that you really have mastered the art of Juvenile Scorn, lets combine it all into one title:
&#039;Meryl, the Warrior Princess of Juvenile Scorn&#039;
How&#039;s them apples, eh?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(* As a matter of fact, Aziz is directly responsible for my title of Master of Juvenile Scornâ„¢. *)</p>
<p>I agree that &#8216;Mistress of Juvenile Scorn&#8217; also doesn&#8217;t fit.</p>
<p>However, after seeing your pic for the first time, and the fact that you kinda look like Xena the warrior princess (in the dark, when I&#8217;m squinting, behind a wall&#8230;), and that you really have mastered the art of Juvenile Scorn, lets combine it all into one title:</p>
<p>&#8216;Meryl, the Warrior Princess of Juvenile Scorn&#8217;</p>
<p>How&#8217;s them apples, eh?  :)</p>
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		<title>By: cond0010</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17343</link>
		<dc:creator>cond0010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post &#039;Must Read&#039; at 12:50pm pretty much sizes up why those have people saying that Israel is &#039;losing&#039; the war, Meryl.
The propaganda of the media and Hezbollah against Israel is using the bombing at Qana as effectively as a smart bomb hitting Zarqawi&#039;s hideout.
Just as was done with the Jenin &#039;massacre&#039;, The &#039;torture&#039; of Detainees in Abu Ghraib, the Bunker massacre in the First American/Iraqi War, the &#039;Day of the Rangers&#039; in Mogadishu, the My Lai Massacre, etc...
The military is fond of the word &#039;force multiplier&#039;.  Well, for the terrorists, propaganda is a force multiplier for them.  Though it doesn&#039;t hit the forces on the ground, the real target are the civilians away from the front and the damage is psychological.
This damage is both moral (lil innocent babies dying) and mental (fear that the world will be against them).
This kinda of warfare is VERY effective against democratic nations.  That is why certain people say we (as in the Israeli forces and those who support them) are losing.
OTOH, the people of many democratic nations are becoming more and more aware of these tactics and I believe that a turning point for this form of warfare is coming where people will become inured to these distortions.
You Meryl, are impervious to the propaganda.  The webpage itself is a testament of that whereby you cut through the media propaganda and reveal the tools of their trade.
In this specific case, all Israel has to do is stand tough and weather it out.  There are alot of people rooting for Israel.  That is what I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post &#8216;Must Read&#8217; at 12:50pm pretty much sizes up why those have people saying that Israel is &#8216;losing&#8217; the war, Meryl.</p>
<p>The propaganda of the media and Hezbollah against Israel is using the bombing at Qana as effectively as a smart bomb hitting Zarqawi&#8217;s hideout.</p>
<p>Just as was done with the Jenin &#8216;massacre&#8217;, The &#8216;torture&#8217; of Detainees in Abu Ghraib, the Bunker massacre in the First American/Iraqi War, the &#8216;Day of the Rangers&#8217; in Mogadishu, the My Lai Massacre, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The military is fond of the word &#8216;force multiplier&#8217;.  Well, for the terrorists, propaganda is a force multiplier for them.  Though it doesn&#8217;t hit the forces on the ground, the real target are the civilians away from the front and the damage is psychological.</p>
<p>This damage is both moral (lil innocent babies dying) and mental (fear that the world will be against them).</p>
<p>This kinda of warfare is VERY effective against democratic nations.  That is why certain people say we (as in the Israeli forces and those who support them) are losing.</p>
<p>OTOH, the people of many democratic nations are becoming more and more aware of these tactics and I believe that a turning point for this form of warfare is coming where people will become inured to these distortions.</p>
<p>You Meryl, are impervious to the propaganda.  The webpage itself is a testament of that whereby you cut through the media propaganda and reveal the tools of their trade.</p>
<p>In this specific case, all Israel has to do is stand tough and weather it out.  There are alot of people rooting for Israel.  That is what I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17339</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, it isn&#039;t Totten I won&#039;t read. I won&#039;t read Poonawalla. I stopped years ago, after many cross-blog debates with him.
He&#039;s a liar and a demagogue. He is the one that spread the lie that Israel was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yourish.com/archives/2003/apr27-may3_2003.html#2003042701&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;developing a bomb&lt;/a&gt; that would kill only Arabs, then jumped up and down and accused me of calling him an anti-Semite when I asked him to cite it or retract it.
As a matter of fact, Aziz is directly responsible for my title of Master of Juvenile Scorn&#153;. It&#039;s because of my spat with Aziz over the fake gene bomb that Tacitus &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yourish.com/archives/2003/apr27-may3_2003.html#2003042805&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gave me the title&lt;/a&gt;.
I finished with Aziz years ago. That Totten uses him as a source for war analysis just makes me think that much less of Totten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, it isn&#8217;t Totten I won&#8217;t read. I won&#8217;t read Poonawalla. I stopped years ago, after many cross-blog debates with him.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a liar and a demagogue. He is the one that spread the lie that Israel was <a href="http://www.yourish.com/archives/2003/apr27-may3_2003.html#2003042701" rel="nofollow">developing a bomb</a> that would kill only Arabs, then jumped up and down and accused me of calling him an anti-Semite when I asked him to cite it or retract it.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, Aziz is directly responsible for my title of Master of Juvenile Scorn&#8482;. It&#8217;s because of my spat with Aziz over the fake gene bomb that Tacitus <a href="http://www.yourish.com/archives/2003/apr27-may3_2003.html#2003042805" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">gave me the title</a>. </p>
<p>I finished with Aziz years ago. That Totten uses him as a source for war analysis just makes me think that much less of Totten.</p>
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		<title>By: chsw</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17337</link>
		<dc:creator>chsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, According to Eason Jordan, bullets threatening CNN trump CNN interviews.  Still, I think that Israel scored a propaganda coup when it hacked Al-Manar television to post messages to the Hezballah terrorists that their days were numbered, and when Arab language Israeli broadcasts started reading the real names of known Hezbollah operatives killed.  Names are big things in the Arab world; every two-bit thug has at least two or three.  However, knowledge the real names is significant.
Let&#039;s hope that those broadcasts get lengthier.
Wish all an easy fast.
Chazak v&#039;amatz!
chsw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, According to Eason Jordan, bullets threatening CNN trump CNN interviews.  Still, I think that Israel scored a propaganda coup when it hacked Al-Manar television to post messages to the Hezballah terrorists that their days were numbered, and when Arab language Israeli broadcasts started reading the real names of known Hezbollah operatives killed.  Names are big things in the Arab world; every two-bit thug has at least two or three.  However, knowledge the real names is significant.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that those broadcasts get lengthier.</p>
<p>Wish all an easy fast.</p>
<p>Chazak v&#8217;amatz!</p>
<p>chsw</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17331</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s easy -- bullets trump CNN interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s easy &#8212; bullets trump CNN interviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajan R</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17325</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel has the capability to win. And if they want to, they will win - and I pray to this effect - but since the first Lebanese war, Israel seems to be pulling out or conceding just when it should be striking the fatal blow - like allowing PLO to leave Beirut instead of killing off their trapped leadership one by one, or allowing the entity of PA instead of destroying and doing away with it after nearly 6 years of Intifada.
So I wonder whether Israel has the will. As one of the trackbacks note, Israel isn&#039;t fighting the propaganda war - how is a democracy supposed to sustain a war to the finish if enemy propaganda go unanswered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel has the capability to win. And if they want to, they will win &#8211; and I pray to this effect &#8211; but since the first Lebanese war, Israel seems to be pulling out or conceding just when it should be striking the fatal blow &#8211; like allowing PLO to leave Beirut instead of killing off their trapped leadership one by one, or allowing the entity of PA instead of destroying and doing away with it after nearly 6 years of Intifada.</p>
<p>So I wonder whether Israel has the will. As one of the trackbacks note, Israel isn&#8217;t fighting the propaganda war &#8211; how is a democracy supposed to sustain a war to the finish if enemy propaganda go unanswered?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/08/02/1816/comment-page-1#comment-17322</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t stop reading Totten, please.  He&#039;s a well-spoken, often passionate and only occasionally incoherent voice of the Lebanese cafe set.  His analysis, although wrong, is almost a perfect reflection of what liberal Lebanon (note:  I&#039;m defining a subset) will and won&#039;t understand.
If and when he comes around to the notion that the Lebanese simply must rid themselves of Hezbollah, even if that means getting their hands dirty, the war will have been won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t stop reading Totten, please.  He&#8217;s a well-spoken, often passionate and only occasionally incoherent voice of the Lebanese cafe set.  His analysis, although wrong, is almost a perfect reflection of what liberal Lebanon (note:  I&#8217;m defining a subset) will and won&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>If and when he comes around to the notion that the Lebanese simply must rid themselves of Hezbollah, even if that means getting their hands dirty, the war will have been won.</p>
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