Comments on: Time for another web design rant http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610 Cutting straight to the point Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:56:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Meryl Yourish http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11605 Meryl Yourish Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:44:28 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11605 Cynic, tell the authors of the sites how hard it is to read their text. You'd be amazed at how accomodating they can be. Bloggers want readers. They don't want to be shouting in an empty room. Cynic, tell the authors of the sites how hard it is to read their text. You’d be amazed at how accomodating they can be.

Bloggers want readers. They don’t want to be shouting in an empty room.

]]> By: Meryl Yourish http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11601 Meryl Yourish Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:40:13 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11601 Aaron, The average age of the blog reader is the mid-thirties to mid-forties. Kids don't read blogs. They IM. They YouTube. They LiveJournal. They leave the political blogging to the old folks. I'll blogroll you even if you don't change your colors, but I can't read it unless I get a choice of backgrounds. Aaron,

The average age of the blog reader is the mid-thirties to mid-forties.

Kids don’t read blogs. They IM. They YouTube. They LiveJournal.

They leave the political blogging to the old folks.

I’ll blogroll you even if you don’t change your colors, but I can’t read it unless I get a choice of backgrounds.

]]> By: Cynic http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11593 Cynic Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:01:24 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11593 <blockquote>Cynic, what browser do you use? Firefox automatically overrules the blog’s text preferences and allows you to increase the text size</blockquote> Am using Firefox 1.5.0.4 and tabbed browsing. I have to click on (Text Size) or hit Ctrl+ four times, to make things easier on my eyes but on going to the next tab it's back to square one. Some sites need even more keystrokes and just to screw one about even more some sites make it necessary to centre the column after resizing. Sadly Firefox does not have the upperhand when defining fonts as some sites overide my choice. While the magnified font on your site is nice and clean, on some other sites they become almost boldfaced and raggedy.

Cynic, what browser do you use? Firefox automatically overrules the blog’s text preferences and allows you to increase the text size

Am using Firefox 1.5.0.4 and tabbed browsing.

I have to click on (Text Size) or hit Ctrl+ four times, to make things easier on my eyes but on going to the next tab it’s back to square one.
Some sites need even more keystrokes and just to screw one about even more some sites make it necessary to centre the column after resizing.

Sadly Firefox does not have the upperhand when defining fonts as some sites overide my choice. While the magnified font on your site is nice and clean, on some other sites they become almost boldfaced and raggedy.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11588 Aaron Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:47:09 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11588 I'd like to argue with you. I'd like to bring up points about the process of printing, and when print was essentially THE media, this was all true. Ink doesn't print with a super sharp edge, it bleeds into the stock (paper). When white print was traditionally made, it was on white paper, with surrounding black ink. The ink ran somewhat and generally made reverse type hard to read. Legibility was founded on type, books, kerning, serifs.. etc. I think the newer generation has a different level of consciousness, they have different 'visual clues', different reading patterns etc.. but dam, heck, White on black is hard to read. If you've ever tried to read graffiti then you might just get some insight, the rules have changed. Ignoring typographical reasons, - young people can read 'fuzzy' computer screens better. They're the screen generation As for the rest of us? What do we have to look forward to? <a href="http://www.eyesight.org/Eye_Test/eye_test.html" rel="nofollow">Macular Degeneration</a> As for all those fancy java scripts, colourful logos, animations, flash, videos, etc etc all I can say is give me band width! (Flashing Neon gif animations of fluoro text excluded) Tell me that the average Jewish person isn't : An urban dweller Of higher than average disposable income. Therefore most Jewish people should have broad band. Myself, I live REMOTE, 500 kilometres REMOTE I pay an arm and a leg for a Two Way satellite link, just to have some sort of decent internet connection. If you don't have broadband, - read a book. Thanks for the advice, point taken Aaron Bagel Blogger I’d like to argue with you.

I’d like to bring up points about the process of printing, and when print was essentially THE media, this was all true.

Ink doesn’t print with a super sharp edge, it bleeds into the stock (paper).

When white print was traditionally made, it was on white paper, with surrounding black ink. The ink ran somewhat and generally made reverse type hard to read. Legibility was founded on type, books, kerning, serifs.. etc.

I think the newer generation has a different level of consciousness, they have different ‘visual clues’, different reading patterns etc..
but dam, heck,

White on black is hard to read.

If you’ve ever tried to read graffiti then you might just get some insight, the rules have changed.

Ignoring typographical reasons, – young people can read ‘fuzzy’ computer screens better.

They’re the screen generation

As for the rest of us? What do we have to look forward to?

Macular Degeneration

As for all those fancy java scripts, colourful logos, animations, flash, videos, etc etc all I can say is
give me band width!

(Flashing Neon gif animations of fluoro text excluded)

Tell me that the average Jewish person isn’t :

An urban dweller

Of higher than average disposable income.

Therefore most Jewish people should have broad band.

Myself, I live REMOTE, 500 kilometres REMOTE
I pay an arm and a leg for a Two Way satellite link, just to have some sort of decent internet connection.

If you don’t have broadband, – read a book.

Thanks for the advice, point taken

Aaron
Bagel Blogger

]]> By: david foster http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11498 david foster Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:57:19 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11498 Typography is important, but bad typography isn't the only thing that makes blogs unreadable. Increasingly, blogs are sucking in so many external objects...ads, stat counters, comments engines, things from photo sites, etc...that the pages take forever to load. More bandwidth at the subscriber end doesn't help much. IIRC, many of the early MSM web sites were basically unusable because of performance problems. Typography is important, but bad typography isn’t the only thing that makes blogs unreadable. Increasingly, blogs are sucking in so many external objects…ads, stat counters, comments engines, things from photo sites, etc…that the pages take forever to load. More bandwidth at the subscriber end doesn’t help much.

IIRC, many of the early MSM web sites were basically unusable because of performance problems.

]]> By: Meryl Yourish http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11495 Meryl Yourish Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:55:55 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11495 Cynic, what browser do you use? Firefox automatically overrules the blog's text preferences and allows you to increase the text size (which decreases line word length). IE has an option that lets you override the blog's CSS if you can't increase the font size. I find it easier to read a page-width size blog than one long column. Cynic, what browser do you use? Firefox automatically overrules the blog’s text preferences and allows you to increase the text size (which decreases line word length). IE has an option that lets you override the blog’s CSS if you can’t increase the font size.

I find it easier to read a page-width size blog than one long column.

]]> By: Cynic http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11491 Cynic Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:48:11 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11491 While you mention reverse type as <em>unreadable in the longer form</em> I wish a lot of sites would restrict line length to a more readable seven to ten words instead of trying to fill the screen. Many blogs have made it just that much harder for many to get through so many interesting sites in the time they have. Comprehension is also suffering; visible from some of the comments :-) As for backround colour; a light beige with black print was the kindest on the eyes especially for user and client manuals. Publiuspundit is a nice example of easy on the eyes. While I don't like Boker tov Boulder's backround I find it easy to get the points she is making. Discussing blogs with associates it seems that some of them are starting to drop those they find require too much effort. While you mention reverse type as unreadable in the longer form I wish a lot of sites would restrict line length to a more readable seven to ten words instead of trying to fill the screen.
Many blogs have made it just that much harder for many to get through so many interesting sites in the time they have.
Comprehension is also suffering; visible from some of the comments :-)
As for backround colour; a light beige with black print was the kindest on the eyes especially for user and client manuals.
Publiuspundit is a nice example of easy on the eyes. While I don’t like Boker tov Boulder’s backround I find it easy to get the points she is making.
Discussing blogs with associates it seems that some of them are starting to drop those they find require too much effort.

]]> By: Robert http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11490 Robert Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:27:18 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11490 I AGREE Meryl. It gets painful after a while. I AGREE Meryl. It gets painful after a while.

]]> By: tommy http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11488 tommy Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:15:34 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11488 There is a reason why we've been putting dark letters on a light background for a while now right? I'm not in the paper manufacturing business, but I'm guessing white probably isn't the easiest color to produce. The reverse stuff looks really cool I think, and if you're going for a look then fine, but if it's the look you want what's up with all the words? There is a reason why we’ve been putting dark letters on a light background for a while now right? I’m not in the paper manufacturing business, but I’m guessing white probably isn’t the easiest color to produce.

The reverse stuff looks really cool I think, and if you’re going for a look then fine, but if it’s the look you want what’s up with all the words?

]]> By: Laurence Simon http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610/comment-page-1#comment-11487 Laurence Simon Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:09:50 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/09/1610#comment-11487 I'm working on a reversed text template just for you. I’m working on a reversed text template just for you.

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