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		<title>By: cond0010</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11524</link>
		<dc:creator>cond0010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooog... go to Duluth for a couple days and look what happens...  :)
Er... LynnB - play nice. Note the below quote:
(*But preaching on someone elseâ€™s website is something else entirely, especially when youâ€™re lobbing judgmental bullshit at the author.*)
Neither was I ever advocating violence towards Homosexuals nor was I preaching. I was defending Teshuvah on a couple points where you were a little over the top.
Note another of your quotes:
(*The Torah prohibits all sorts of behavior, from eating lobster to mixing wool and linen to use of deceptive weights and measures,and yet few people seem motivated to assault or attack folks who defend or even commit such heinous acts.*)
Eating lobster?  Mixing wool and linen? Violence for that?  Come on, Lynn, your slapping me in the face.
(*Or to post religious rants against them on other peopleâ€™s blogs.*)
I said I despise homosexuality and its behaviors.  That is not necessarily religious.  Again, read my post.
(*Ask yourself why*)
Lynn - I wrote my post very calmly and rationally.  Your response towards my post is badly distorted and innacurate.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why.
-and btw - I have liked very many other of your posts in the past.  I&#039;d hate to have a continual dialogue such as this one cloud any future discussions that we have.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooog&#8230; go to Duluth for a couple days and look what happens&#8230;  :)</p>
<p>Er&#8230; LynnB &#8211; play nice. Note the below quote:</p>
<p>(*But preaching on someone elseâ€™s website is something else entirely, especially when youâ€™re lobbing judgmental bullshit at the author.*)</p>
<p>Neither was I ever advocating violence towards Homosexuals nor was I preaching. I was defending Teshuvah on a couple points where you were a little over the top.  </p>
<p>Note another of your quotes:</p>
<p>(*The Torah prohibits all sorts of behavior, from eating lobster to mixing wool and linen to use of deceptive weights and measures,and yet few people seem motivated to assault or attack folks who defend or even commit such heinous acts.*)</p>
<p>Eating lobster?  Mixing wool and linen? Violence for that?  Come on, Lynn, your slapping me in the face. </p>
<p>(*Or to post religious rants against them on other peopleâ€™s blogs.*)</p>
<p>I said I despise homosexuality and its behaviors.  That is not necessarily religious.  Again, read my post.</p>
<p>(*Ask yourself why*)</p>
<p>Lynn &#8211; I wrote my post very calmly and rationally.  Your response towards my post is badly distorted and innacurate.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should ask yourself why.</p>
<p>-and btw &#8211; I have liked very many other of your posts in the past.  I&#8217;d hate to have a continual dialogue such as this one cloud any future discussions that we have.  </p>
<p>Peace?</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11468</link>
		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mennyiben -- Now that Meryl has cleaned &#039;Teshuvah&#039;s clock -- with all due respect, you clearly don&#039;t have the faintest clue what you&#039;re talking about.  Doubt all you like, but I suspect that your view from Miami of what&#039;s been going on in Philadelphia for the last several years is slightly less accurate than my view from, well, Philadelphia.  In other words, you&#039;re just plain wrong.  But feel free to come on up some time and check it out for yourself.  You&#039;re clearly reading only one side of the story.  Those of us who live here don&#039;t have that luxury.  Believe me, there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; another side, hence the reaction of the Philly cops.  (And if you actually think that the Philly cops, including some still of the Rizzo era, are partial to gays and lesbians, then you really are out to lunch.)
Meanwhile, three of the marchers at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem last year were stabbed (as in, with a sharp knife) by a religious zealot.  Compare and contrast.  And please read Rahel&#039;s comment above.
Finally, hmmmm... &quot;Lobster Council,&quot; textile industry, Enron ... yeah, we&#039;re clearly down the rabbit hole here.  Sorry, but I live in the real world.  Bye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mennyiben &#8212; Now that Meryl has cleaned &#8216;Teshuvah&#8217;s clock &#8212; with all due respect, you clearly don&#8217;t have the faintest clue what you&#8217;re talking about.  Doubt all you like, but I suspect that your view from Miami of what&#8217;s been going on in Philadelphia for the last several years is slightly less accurate than my view from, well, Philadelphia.  In other words, you&#8217;re just plain wrong.  But feel free to come on up some time and check it out for yourself.  You&#8217;re clearly reading only one side of the story.  Those of us who live here don&#8217;t have that luxury.  Believe me, there <em>is</em> another side, hence the reaction of the Philly cops.  (And if you actually think that the Philly cops, including some still of the Rizzo era, are partial to gays and lesbians, then you really are out to lunch.)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, three of the marchers at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem last year were stabbed (as in, with a sharp knife) by a religious zealot.  Compare and contrast.  And please read Rahel&#8217;s comment above.</p>
<p>Finally, hmmmm&#8230; &#8220;Lobster Council,&#8221; textile industry, Enron &#8230; yeah, we&#8217;re clearly down the rabbit hole here.  Sorry, but I live in the real world.  Bye!</p>
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		<title>By: mennyiben</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11466</link>
		<dc:creator>mennyiben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repentance means stop sinning, live righteously, seems like Teshuvah has it clearer.  I think you&#039;re wrong about him  posting on the Sabbath but if he did, maybe he was trying to get an ox out of a ditch.  (You don&#039;t have to kick me out, I&#039;m  gone.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repentance means stop sinning, live righteously, seems like Teshuvah has it clearer.  I think you&#8217;re wrong about him  posting on the Sabbath but if he did, maybe he was trying to get an ox out of a ditch.  (You don&#8217;t have to kick me out, I&#8217;m  gone.)</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl Yourish</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11462</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl Yourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you did lie, Teshuvah. You lied from the second you chose the Hebrew word &quot;Teshuvah&quot; as your comments handle. You lied by omission, pretending to be an Orthodox Jew, using the words &quot;HaShem&quot; and &quot;Gd&quot; for God.
You gave quotes from the Torah, not the Bible. Christians don&#039;t quote the Torah. They quote their Bible.
You got all judgmental on gays&#039; asses, and kept talking about having to keep &quot;HaShem&#039;s&quot; commandments. When I deleted that bigoted post, and told you fairly politely why, you then got all judgmental on my ass. Smart move, asshole. (Whoops, I just called you a name for real, this time. I hope I didn&#039;t cause you palpitations.)
When I pointed out that you were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583#comment-11429&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;violating the Sabbath&lt;/a&gt;--which, by the way, is one of THE big commandments, and you&#039;re breaking it, bubelah--you denied it at first. Denial--there&#039;s another word for denying the truth of something. It&#039;s called &quot;lying.&quot;
Every one of your posts calling for judgment were lies. You are not Jewish, yet you used a Jewish name, Hebrew phrases, and everything else you could think of to make people think you were a religious Jew.
Which, clearly, you are not. No religious Jew posts on Shabbat. No religious Jew turns on a computer on Shabbat. And no religious Jew asks &quot;What would Moshe say?&quot; when called on a religious question.
And finally---last, but not least---you had the nerve to call my Jewishness into question because, gee, I don&#039;t fit into your screwed up version of religion.
I have never pretended to be an Orthodox Jew. And my Gd is just and merciful. I&#039;m not worried about what&#039;s going to happen to me when I die. If you had any concept of the meaning of the name you chose for my comments thread---Teshuvah, &lt;em&gt;repentance&lt;/em&gt;---which in Judaism is followed by forgiveness---you wouldn&#039;t be the hateful, nasty, vicious little lying shit you are.
Now that, my dear, is flaming.
Believe me when I tell you that you do not want to answer this post. You&#039;re done here.
Be smart. Go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you did lie, Teshuvah. You lied from the second you chose the Hebrew word &#8220;Teshuvah&#8221; as your comments handle. You lied by omission, pretending to be an Orthodox Jew, using the words &#8220;HaShem&#8221; and &#8220;Gd&#8221; for God.</p>
<p>You gave quotes from the Torah, not the Bible. Christians don&#8217;t quote the Torah. They quote their Bible.</p>
<p>You got all judgmental on gays&#8217; asses, and kept talking about having to keep &#8220;HaShem&#8217;s&#8221; commandments. When I deleted that bigoted post, and told you fairly politely why, you then got all judgmental on my ass. Smart move, asshole. (Whoops, I just called you a name for real, this time. I hope I didn&#8217;t cause you palpitations.)</p>
<p>When I pointed out that you were <a href="http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583#comment-11429" rel="nofollow">violating the Sabbath</a>&#8211;which, by the way, is one of THE big commandments, and you&#8217;re breaking it, bubelah&#8211;you denied it at first. Denial&#8211;there&#8217;s another word for denying the truth of something. It&#8217;s called &#8220;lying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Every one of your posts calling for judgment were lies. You are not Jewish, yet you used a Jewish name, Hebrew phrases, and everything else you could think of to make people think you were a religious Jew.</p>
<p>Which, clearly, you are not. No religious Jew posts on Shabbat. No religious Jew turns on a computer on Shabbat. And no religious Jew asks &#8220;What would Moshe say?&#8221; when called on a religious question.</p>
<p>And finally&#8212;last, but not least&#8212;you had the nerve to call my Jewishness into question because, gee, I don&#8217;t fit into your screwed up version of religion.</p>
<p>I have never pretended to be an Orthodox Jew. And my Gd is just and merciful. I&#8217;m not worried about what&#8217;s going to happen to me when I die. If you had any concept of the meaning of the name you chose for my comments thread&#8212;Teshuvah, <em>repentance</em>&#8212;which in Judaism is followed by forgiveness&#8212;you wouldn&#8217;t be the hateful, nasty, vicious little lying shit you are.</p>
<p>Now that, my dear, is flaming.</p>
<p>Believe me when I tell you that you do not want to answer this post. You&#8217;re done here.</p>
<p>Be smart. Go away.</p>
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		<title>By: mennyiben</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11459</link>
		<dc:creator>mennyiben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB:
I doubt there are any &quot;plenty of Christian groups&quot; protesting gay events.  I&#039;d like to know which groups protest gay events anymore or ever did. Groups no, maybe a handful here and there. Next to none stood behind the ones getting arrested in Philadelphia and arrested elsewhere around the US.  Most Christian groups don&#039;t protest, unless it&#039;s about long lines at the Carman concert.
Abuse and taunt, wow, those are loaded words.  You could say he taunted when he calls it preaching (hey if you don&#039;t like that street preacher on the corner, can&#039;t you just walk on by?) and he could say he was taunted by a gay group protesting the protester in front of his own house prior to Outfest 2005.
http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest2005/OutFest2005_OutsideMichael_sHouse
He could say he was threatened since they went to his house and spoke with a loudspeaker, but even if they went to intimidate him, it used to be legal to protest on sidewalks. Except at Outfest, where these two ladies were among the 11 Christians arrested:
http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest-2004-Arrests/Ladies_Arrested
And abuse?, judging from all the documentation he presents, he wasn&#039;t allowed into Outfest and surrounded by the Pink Angels, when he asked the police to tell them to let him in, he was arrested.  Did I mention a 17 year old girl was also arrested for holding a poster?  This is one agenda people aren&#039;t allowed to disagree with or protest.  Witness this Jewish protester at the Pride parade 2002 in Jerusalem:
http://www.nir-vana.com/photosite/Events/Jpride02/images/05.jpg
Dangerous to &quot;huwt peopwes feewings&quot; when they whine and crybaby worse than pallies and you can get arrested for it.
When the Lobster Council, the Textile Industry or Enron get to introduce their curricula in school and teach children if their parents don&#039;t eat unclean foods, wear blended wool, and use deceptive weights, they are bigots, then we can talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LynnB:</p>
<p>I doubt there are any &#8220;plenty of Christian groups&#8221; protesting gay events.  I&#8217;d like to know which groups protest gay events anymore or ever did. Groups no, maybe a handful here and there. Next to none stood behind the ones getting arrested in Philadelphia and arrested elsewhere around the US.  Most Christian groups don&#8217;t protest, unless it&#8217;s about long lines at the Carman concert. </p>
<p>Abuse and taunt, wow, those are loaded words.  You could say he taunted when he calls it preaching (hey if you don&#8217;t like that street preacher on the corner, can&#8217;t you just walk on by?) and he could say he was taunted by a gay group protesting the protester in front of his own house prior to Outfest 2005.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest2005/OutFest2005_OutsideMichael_sHouse" rel="nofollow">http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest2005/OutFest2005_OutsideMichael_sHouse</a></p>
<p>He could say he was threatened since they went to his house and spoke with a loudspeaker, but even if they went to intimidate him, it used to be legal to protest on sidewalks. Except at Outfest, where these two ladies were among the 11 Christians arrested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest-2004-Arrests/Ladies_Arrested" rel="nofollow">http://www.repentamerica.com/gallery/OutFest-2004-Arrests/Ladies_Arrested</a></p>
<p>And abuse?, judging from all the documentation he presents, he wasn&#8217;t allowed into Outfest and surrounded by the Pink Angels, when he asked the police to tell them to let him in, he was arrested.  Did I mention a 17 year old girl was also arrested for holding a poster?  This is one agenda people aren&#8217;t allowed to disagree with or protest.  Witness this Jewish protester at the Pride parade 2002 in Jerusalem:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nir-vana.com/photosite/Events/Jpride02/images/05.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.nir-vana.com/photosite/Events/Jpride02/images/05.jpg</a></p>
<p>Dangerous to &#8220;huwt peopwes feewings&#8221; when they whine and crybaby worse than pallies and you can get arrested for it.</p>
<p>When the Lobster Council, the Textile Industry or Enron get to introduce their curricula in school and teach children if their parents don&#8217;t eat unclean foods, wear blended wool, and use deceptive weights, they are bigots, then we can talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahel</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11450</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LynnB, those are my sentiments exactly. Ask some of the protesters against the parade whether they also think that people who don&#039;t observe Shabbat deserve to be stoned to death (as the Torah stipulates) and see how they answer.
Regrettably, Israel has a severe problem with human trafficking, which carries a death penalty in the Torah (Exodus 21:36 and Deuteronomy 24:7). Why don&#039;t the same people who cry &quot;abomination&quot; about the parade, which is a one-off event after all, protest human trafficking, which is an ongoing problem here and is at least as serious a violation as homosexual behavior, according to the Torah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LynnB, those are my sentiments exactly. Ask some of the protesters against the parade whether they also think that people who don&#8217;t observe Shabbat deserve to be stoned to death (as the Torah stipulates) and see how they answer.</p>
<p>Regrettably, Israel has a severe problem with human trafficking, which carries a death penalty in the Torah (Exodus 21:36 and Deuteronomy 24:7). Why don&#8217;t the same people who cry &#8220;abomination&#8221; about the parade, which is a one-off event after all, protest human trafficking, which is an ongoing problem here and is at least as serious a violation as homosexual behavior, according to the Torah?</p>
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		<title>By: LynnB</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11449</link>
		<dc:creator>LynnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mennyiben, the name is Marcavage, and he gets arrested a lot because he wants to.  We have plenty of other groups, Christian and otherwise, protesting gay events in Philadelphia, but most of them make their point and go home.  Marcavage does what &quot;Teshuvah&quot; is trying to do here -- stir up trouble and offend people so he can claim that he&#039;s being persecuted when they react predictably to being taunted and abused.
Cond0, sure Teshuvah is entitled to his (?) opinion and so are you.  You can hate anyone you want to.  But preaching on someone else&#039;s website is something else entirely, especially when you&#039;re lobbing judgmental bullshit at the author.
It&#039;s funny.  The Torah prohibits all sorts of behavior, from eating lobster to mixing wool and linen to use of deceptive weights and measures, and yet few people seem motivated to assault or attack folks who defend or even commit such heinous acts.  Or to post religious rants against them on other people&#039;s blogs.  Ask yourself why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mennyiben, the name is Marcavage, and he gets arrested a lot because he wants to.  We have plenty of other groups, Christian and otherwise, protesting gay events in Philadelphia, but most of them make their point and go home.  Marcavage does what &#8220;Teshuvah&#8221; is trying to do here &#8212; stir up trouble and offend people so he can claim that he&#8217;s being persecuted when they react predictably to being taunted and abused.</p>
<p>Cond0, sure Teshuvah is entitled to his (?) opinion and so are you.  You can hate anyone you want to.  But preaching on someone else&#8217;s website is something else entirely, especially when you&#8217;re lobbing judgmental bullshit at the author.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny.  The Torah prohibits all sorts of behavior, from eating lobster to mixing wool and linen to use of deceptive weights and measures, and yet few people seem motivated to assault or attack folks who defend or even commit such heinous acts.  Or to post religious rants against them on other people&#8217;s blogs.  Ask yourself why.</p>
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		<title>By: mennyiben</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11448</link>
		<dc:creator>mennyiben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mennyiben</title>
		<link>http://www.yourish.com/2006/07/06/1583/comment-page-1#comment-11447</link>
		<dc:creator>mennyiben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tel Aviv 2005, the parade wasn&#039;t so &quot;mild&quot; and it wasn&#039;t so &quot;clean&quot;, and &quot;The High Court of Justice had to force the dominantly Orthodox Jewish city to provide services, including police protection.&quot;
And then the arrest of an Orthodox Jew,  TRUE Jews are protesting the wickedness of the wicked!  Just like Philadelpha, city of Brotherly Love, they are arresting the true!  See the man being arrested at the link below.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/velvetart/28759189/in/set-648191/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tel Aviv 2005, the parade wasn&#8217;t so &#8220;mild&#8221; and it wasn&#8217;t so &#8220;clean&#8221;, and &#8220;The High Court of Justice had to force the dominantly Orthodox Jewish city to provide services, including police protection.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then the arrest of an Orthodox Jew,  TRUE Jews are protesting the wickedness of the wicked!  Just like Philadelpha, city of Brotherly Love, they are arresting the true!  See the man being arrested at the link below.  </p>
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		<title>By: Teshuvah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teshuvah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never claimed to be a Jew.  You have continually flamed me, called me a liar  and tried to put words in my mouth, while your own are schoolyard epithets.
Do consider what I said in its entirety.  I know He won&#039;t let you forget.
Have a good Shabbos, Meryl.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never claimed to be a Jew.  You have continually flamed me, called me a liar  and tried to put words in my mouth, while your own are schoolyard epithets.  </p>
<p>Do consider what I said in its entirety.  I know He won&#8217;t let you forget. </p>
<p>Have a good Shabbos, Meryl. </p>
<p>Sunday<br />
July 9, 2006<br />
4:59:08am</p>
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