Comments on: Menachem Begin on the existence of Israel http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433 Cutting straight to the point Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:14:34 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Soccer Dad http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-10003 Soccer Dad Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:44:52 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-10003 <strong>Anti-zionism ?= antisemitism folowup revisited...</strong> Even Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s purportedly generous offer at Camp David in July 2000 would only have given the Palestinians a disarmed and dismembered set of “Bantustans” under de facto Israeli control.40 Europe’s crimes against the Jews provide ... Anti-zionism ?= antisemitism folowup revisited…

Even Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s purportedly generous offer at Camp David in July 2000 would only have given the Palestinians a disarmed and dismembered set of “Bantustans” under de facto Israeli control.40 Europe’s crimes against the Jews provide …

]]> By: discarded lies - hyperlinkopotamus http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-9958 discarded lies - hyperlinkopotamus Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:52:10 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-9958 <strong>Israel's "right to exist"...</strong> Israel's "right to exist"... Israel’s “right to exist”…

Israel’s “right to exist”…

]]> By: Li'l Mamzer http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-9957 Li'l Mamzer Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:48:22 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-9957 I have always hated the patronizing overtones of the term 'right to exist'. I refuse to use it whenever I argue Israel's case. If any one group needs to justify its 'right to exist' it would be the Arab interlopers who have usurped the name of Palestine for no purpose other than the genocide of the Jewish nation. Where is the right in that enterprise? I have always hated the patronizing overtones of the term ‘right to exist’. I refuse to use it whenever I argue Israel’s case.

If any one group needs to justify its ‘right to exist’ it would be the Arab interlopers who have usurped the name of Palestine for no purpose other than the genocide of the Jewish nation. Where is the right in that enterprise?

]]> By: Daily Tidbit http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-9951 Daily Tidbit Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:36:02 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-9951 great post. Begin really knew how to put it in simple terms, so that everyone can understand. Ben, you are really confusin in your comment. Is there are point you were trying to make? great post.
Begin really knew how to put it in simple terms, so that everyone can understand.

Ben,
you are really confusin in your comment. Is there are point you were trying to make?

]]> By: Ben F http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-9947 Ben F Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:09:30 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-9947 According to the Bible, title to the land, and the entire Earth, belongs to God. That's the reason for Genesis 1, but the proposition is stated most often in Tehillim (Psalms). This is a point of agreement between Judaism and Islam. Another point of agreement is that God subsequently promised a certain expanse of land to Abraham and his descendants the Israelites. Moses and later prophets subsequently clarified that the Jews' possession (not title, possession) is subject to interruption on account of wanton disregard of God's commandments. Here is where Islam departs from the Bible--the Qur'an posits that the Jews were permanently disinherited on account of misbehavior, whereas the Bible provides that God will gather the exiles in triumphant return to their homeland. For those who wonder about the Bible as title, versus the usual basis for control over land (conquest), it's worth noting that Abraham's purchase of a burial cave for his wife is among the earliest real estate transactions in recorded history, if not the oldest. Following in that tradition, the Zionist movement established the Jewish Agency to purchase land under Ottoman jurisdiction. The State of Israel later took land in the conventional manner (that is, by force), but in wars started by neighboring states. According to the Bible, title to the land, and the entire Earth, belongs to God. That’s the reason for Genesis 1, but the proposition is stated most often in Tehillim (Psalms). This is a point of agreement between Judaism and Islam. Another point of agreement is that God subsequently promised a certain expanse of land to Abraham and his descendants the Israelites. Moses and later prophets subsequently clarified that the Jews’ possession (not title, possession) is subject to interruption on account of wanton disregard of God’s commandments. Here is where Islam departs from the Bible–the Qur’an posits that the Jews were permanently disinherited on account of misbehavior, whereas the Bible provides that God will gather the exiles in triumphant return to their homeland.

For those who wonder about the Bible as title, versus the usual basis for control over land (conquest), it’s worth noting that Abraham’s purchase of a burial cave for his wife is among the earliest real estate transactions in recorded history, if not the oldest. Following in that tradition, the Zionist movement established the Jewish Agency to purchase land under Ottoman jurisdiction. The State of Israel later took land in the conventional manner (that is, by force), but in wars started by neighboring states.

]]> By: cond0010 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433/comment-page-1#comment-9928 cond0010 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:22:20 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/06/14/1433#comment-9928 Wow. That says it all. Using the bible as title to the land. Yep. Unfortunately, there are alot of hand wringers who require that the Jews get the approval of the Palestinians before they have a 'right to exist'. Didn't those people ever play at the playground? Getting the approval from a bully at the playground required strength and numbers. Wit only enraged them (boy I sure learned that one). Tiny little Israel gets into the Mideast Sandbox and all those big boys can't take how prosperous, happy and free all those Jews are. When they pick a fight, Israel bloodies their Philistine noses. How will this end? Beats me. Though you have the strength, you haven't the numbers... But then, with technology as powerful as it is today, numbers are no longer as necessary as they were. Wow. That says it all. Using the bible as title to the land. Yep.

Unfortunately, there are alot of hand wringers who require that the Jews get the approval of the Palestinians before they have a ‘right to exist’.

Didn’t those people ever play at the playground? Getting the approval from a bully at the playground required strength and numbers. Wit only enraged them (boy I sure learned that one).

Tiny little Israel gets into the Mideast Sandbox and all those big boys can’t take how prosperous, happy and free all those Jews are. When they pick a fight, Israel bloodies their Philistine noses.

How will this end? Beats me. Though you have the strength, you haven’t the numbers…

But then, with technology as powerful as it is today, numbers are no longer as necessary as they were.

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