Comments on: A lesson to Ayatollahs? http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236 Cutting straight to the point Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:28:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mark G. http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5547 Mark G. Tue, 16 May 2006 11:59:26 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5547 hi snoopy answer is that i work for a Belgian company and everything goes through their servers. BTW i have seen pictures from the flight from TLV and it sure dont look like F Class ! hi snoopy

answer is that i work for a Belgian company and everything goes through their servers.

BTW i have seen pictures from the flight from TLV and it sure dont look like F Class !

]]> By: SnoopyTheGoon http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5540 SnoopyTheGoon Tue, 16 May 2006 06:30:44 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5540 Hi Mark. I do not have any special reason to disbelieve you, since working at LAX you must know better than Ynet. Only a small question: why do you post via Belgacom, which is, you know, in Belgium? Which is a long way from LAX... Hi Mark.

I do not have any special reason to disbelieve you, since working at LAX you must know better than Ynet.

Only a small question: why do you post via Belgacom, which is, you know, in Belgium?

Which is a long way from LAX…

]]> By: Mark G. http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5515 Mark G. Mon, 15 May 2006 18:35:54 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5515 hi guys, just to let all of you know, i work at LAX international and the Rabbis arrived on a BA flight...not even EL AL !!! they flew ELAL from TLV to London on Sunday on an aircraft that doesn't even have First Class Seating ! and from London they cam in with British Airways I suggest that from now on everyone should double-check their sources before slandering others. hi guys,

just to let all of you know, i work at LAX international and the Rabbis arrived on a BA flight…not even EL AL !!!

they flew ELAL from TLV to London on Sunday on an aircraft that doesn’t even have First Class Seating !

and from London they cam in with British Airways

I suggest that from now on everyone should double-check their sources before slandering others.

]]> By: Michael Lonie http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5409 Michael Lonie Fri, 12 May 2006 04:56:07 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5409 If these clowns are in their 90s they hardly are likely to react lasciviously to normally dressed women. In any case an adult is supposed to be able to conrol his impulses, and these guys SUPPOSEDLY learned to tell right from wrong by the time they were 13 years of age. Time to stop acting like idiots. We'd hardly give a Muslim a pass for acting like a jerk, I don't see why we should give a couple of Haredi a pass for actinbg like jerks. If these clowns are in their 90s they hardly are likely to react lasciviously to normally dressed women. In any case an adult is supposed to be able to conrol his impulses, and these guys SUPPOSEDLY learned to tell right from wrong by the time they were 13 years of age. Time to stop acting like idiots.

We’d hardly give a Muslim a pass for acting like a jerk, I don’t see why we should give a couple of Haredi a pass for actinbg like jerks.

]]> By: SnoopyTheGoon http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5381 SnoopyTheGoon Thu, 11 May 2006 20:35:06 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5381 "it would be nice if we could somehow regard these as family fights, to be done only in private." Aha. I see. The problem these days, Russ, is that you cannot hide things like these anymore. Not that you should, far from it. There is no more private in the life of two high profile religious clerics than in the life of any celebrity. Which is both good and bad. I hope I do not have to preach democracy on these pages? “it would be nice if we could somehow regard these as family fights, to be done only in private.”

Aha. I see. The problem these days, Russ, is that you cannot hide things like these anymore. Not that you should, far from it.

There is no more private in the life of two high profile religious clerics than in the life of any celebrity. Which is both good and bad. I hope I do not have to preach democracy on these pages?

]]> By: SnoopyTheGoon http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5380 SnoopyTheGoon Thu, 11 May 2006 20:30:54 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5380 Russ, with all due respect - I do not want to hurt anyone's feeling any more than necessary, but you are catching straws now. Modesty is in the eye of the beholder, and whoever can't abide a sight of a bare female ankle or whatever could close his eyes or put a bag over his head or... there are several techniques to deal with the issue without forcing an airline to its knees and insulting the feelings of many people to boot. And you are right - I do not know whether those purchasing the tickets have or have not already reached their tzedaka limit? I only know that the act feels bad, looks bad and smells bad. It must be bad. Sorry. And I do not mean the two rabbis flying first class. This I can live with, it is all the rest that makes me feel bad. Russ, with all due respect – I do not want to hurt anyone’s feeling any more than necessary, but you are catching straws now. Modesty is in the eye of the beholder, and whoever can’t abide a sight of a bare female ankle or whatever could close his eyes or put a bag over his head or… there are several techniques to deal with the issue without forcing an airline to its knees and insulting the feelings of many people to boot.

And you are right – I do not know whether those purchasing the tickets have or have not already reached their tzedaka limit? I only know that the act feels bad, looks bad and smells bad. It must be bad. Sorry.

And I do not mean the two rabbis flying first class. This I can live with, it is all the rest that makes me feel bad.

]]> By: russ http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5379 russ Thu, 11 May 2006 20:22:25 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5379 Unfortunately, "calling bullshit to our religious extremists" has the adverse effect of making Jews look bad in general. it would be nice if we could somehow regard these as family fights, to be done only in private. Unfortunately, “calling bullshit to our religious extremists” has the adverse effect of making Jews look bad in general. it would be nice if we could somehow regard these as family fights, to be done only in private.

]]> By: Rahel http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5372 Rahel Thu, 11 May 2006 19:37:30 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5372 This is merely an extension of the strict separation of the sexes that one finds in the Haredi world, particularly here in Israel. On Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) bus lines, women must sit in the back. (The idea of sitting in the back of the bus does not necessarily elicit the same negative reactions among Israelis as it does among Americans.) The Monsey-New York City "kosher bus," by contrast, has a heavy plastic curtain down the center aisle with men and women sitting on opposite sides. This has a practical use, since commuters recite the morning prayers as they ride the bus on their way to work. At least twice, I have been asked by ultra-Orthodox men to move to the back of the bus or taxi van in which I was traveling so that they could have woman-free space. I refused both times. It is very sad that in that world, holiness is defined -- among other things -- by the distance men keep from women. But then, it isn't really about holiness or modesty. If it were, the two men who asked me to move would not have remained where they were when I refused to go to the back of the bus. It is about power and control. Suggested reading: "Egged and the Taliban" by Naomi Ragen, about her experience on a public, non-Haredi bus line. Her site is at http://naomiragen.com/. This is merely an extension of the strict separation of the sexes that one finds in the Haredi world, particularly here in Israel. On Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) bus lines, women must sit in the back. (The idea of sitting in the back of the bus does not necessarily elicit the same negative reactions among Israelis as it does among Americans.) The Monsey-New York City “kosher bus,” by contrast, has a heavy plastic curtain down the center aisle with men and women sitting on opposite sides. This has a practical use, since commuters recite the morning prayers as they ride the bus on their way to work.

At least twice, I have been asked by ultra-Orthodox men to move to the back of the bus or taxi van in which I was traveling so that they could have woman-free space. I refused both times. It is very sad that in that world, holiness is defined — among other things — by the distance men keep from women.

But then, it isn’t really about holiness or modesty. If it were, the two men who asked me to move would not have remained where they were when I refused to go to the back of the bus. It is about power and control.

Suggested reading: “Egged and the Taliban” by Naomi Ragen, about her experience on a public, non-Haredi bus line. Her site is at http://naomiragen.com/.

]]> By: Shtetl G http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5371 Shtetl G Thu, 11 May 2006 19:37:22 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5371 My Israeli relatives always fly Continental on Friday night when they come to America to avoid the overly obnoxious orthodox Jews. And make no mistake about it obnoxious is the operative word. Here is a clear difference between Jews and Muslims, We have no problem calling bullshit to our religous extremists. It does probably help that they won't strap on some C4 and blow us up. My Israeli relatives always fly Continental on Friday night when they come to America to avoid the overly obnoxious orthodox Jews. And make no mistake about it obnoxious is the operative word.

Here is a clear difference between Jews and Muslims, We have no problem calling bullshit to our religous extremists. It does probably help that they won’t strap on some C4 and blow us up.

]]> By: chsw http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236/comment-page-1#comment-5369 chsw Thu, 11 May 2006 19:19:22 +0000 http://www.yourish.com/2006/05/11/1236#comment-5369 There is a better response. This is a shnurring expedition to support families whose men will not work to support them, but instead choose to sit in the kollels all day. Not all of them are Talmud chachams. If no one gives a dime to these two rabbis' communities, then those communities must confront modern realities. At the least, they will have to kick the least promising scholars out into the working world. Moreover, if these men work at jobs with the same discipline they once applied to Torah study, then they should be successful. In turn, if they are charitable within their own communities, then there would be no need for future shnurring trips. chsw There is a better response. This is a shnurring expedition to support families whose men will not work to support them, but instead choose to sit in the kollels all day. Not all of them are Talmud chachams. If no one gives a dime to these two rabbis’ communities, then those communities must confront modern realities. At the least, they will have to kick the least promising scholars out into the working world. Moreover, if these men work at jobs with the same discipline they once applied to Torah study, then they should be successful. In turn, if they are charitable within their own communities, then there would be no need for future shnurring trips.

chsw

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