Now stop. You’re done here.

But for the sake of argument; name me a king of Judea, Idomea, Samaria, Phoenecia or give “me” examples of Currency. Don’t confuse the definition of Country with Territory, Geografic Populace or Religion.In your words “Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Iudea to Palestina” is admitting is does exist?

But even qualing the Jewish uprising by Hadrian is irrevelent to the discussion at hand; in the begining I said we could spend a lot of time on past history on what land actually belongs to who.

A cute word “revisionism” isn’t that what all this is about in the first place “Revising Boarders, Zones and Authority”? I haven’t revised anything, I’m just stating the facts; the modern day Boarder is in place. And again at what point in history to you wish to return to decide who’s right or wrong?

In my humble view; neither side is write or wrong, they are both fighting for the right to exist. And after thousands of years of doing it wrong; if the determination both sides use in their conquest for independence was used towards reconcile & peace the usless bloodshed would stop.

And Robert; I need no history lesson from you, anyone can “google” a word(s) on the Internet, living it is something completely different. If you want to “google” something try googling “USO, Naples, Italy 1988″, pal I was there. I know what terrorism is, I’ve lived it and I know what is to see innocent Civilians killed in the name of anothers belief.

That was why I said “We would also have to argue over why the Roman Empire is now just a small piece of land called Italy, or maybe we could waist time talking about Napoleon, or the Christian Crusades, or how about those American Indians invaded by all those cruel Europeans.”

If they could put their Religious beliefs aside and become one Nation united within their borders they would become stronger for it. Until they come to terms with this neither will ever fully exist to quote an old American quote “united we stand, devided we fall”.

Until they can look beyond the past and look into the future by accepting the one another they will never fully have control of their destiny.

This is not some little school game when kids argue “he said”, “but she said”, “well he hit me first”. We are talking about “Human Lives” here people. We are talking about men, women, and children that when they go to bed at night they don’t know if they will wake up in the morning, or if the do; if they will live through the day.

How can you possibly justify one side or the other; by doing this you only promote more killing. A sixteen year old boy strapped on a bomb and killed men, women, and children in the name of his faith; A helicopter pilot launched a missle into a crowd of demonstrators killing men, women and children in the name of his faith; “that just ain’t right”!

When will you quit justifying this usless bloodshed in the name of your “Faith”? The “Hatfields and McCoys” until the last man stands?

Palistine and Israel have been fighting for thousands of years;
Israel has been fighting for land to call to call their own; were they rightly feel it should be in their homeland, Palistinian’s don’t want to give up any of their land to another People. For this reason they distrust and hate the other and refuse to accept the other’s right to exist.

So let me see if I get this straight. The Israelis have been fighting the “palestinians” for thousands of years, and yet, Israelis are fighting for a land to call their own?

Going by that logic, the current “palestinians” are the interlopers. When Rome renamed Judea “Palestine,” the “Palestinians” were Jews.

Palistine and Israel have been fighting for thousands of years;
Israel has been fighting for land to call to call their own; were they rightly feel it should be in their homeland, Palistinian’s don’t want to give up any of their land to another People. For this reason they distrust and hate the other and refuse to accept the other’s right to exist.

Who’s to decide who’s right or wrong; or how one kills and mames the other, the world needs to find a way for the two sides to find resolution; not to justify one or the others actions.

Until they both learn to accept the others right to believe in their chosen religion and work to be “One Nation” removing religion as a denominator, their war will contenue for another thousand years.

And Robert; for your information, I do not live behind the protective curtains of the United States. I have lived overseas for over 30 years and am fully aware of the propaganda & tactics both sides use, there’s no such thing as “minimized civilian Arab casulties”. Killing is killing; and both sides justify any means it takes to accomplish their cause.

You can’t even imagine what both sides have done to what you’re calling Civilians; there is no such word as “Civilians”, they are all “soldiers to the cause”, some use the power of the pen, some use a gun, some push a button for a missle and some strap a bomb to their body.

Are you aware that all the Citizens of Switzerland are part of the Swiss Military? Mountains open up reviling anti arcraft guns, or walls open and out come Military aircraft that use highways as air-strips, chicken coops move to the side exposing radar dishes, and that “Civilians” as you would call them have their Military issued guns in their closets. Not bad for a Conuntry that proclaims impartiality and is against war. So please don’t profess “minimize civilian Arab casulties” to me.

As for the fight “going on so long I’m sure nobody knows what is was really about anymore”, you should take the opportunity to ask some folks. I’m sure a lot of people have opinions about what the fight is really about, and I’m sure that some of them are right. Remember, you’re talking about at least one civilzation that makes education and history a priority for all of its members.

I decided to do 30 seconds of research into the rat poison “myth”.

Metal nuts removed from a patient after a homicide bombing by doctors at Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem. The hospital now has a collection of items such as screws, nails …

Also, I’m not for the terrorists, but a claymore mine is much more dangerous. A claymore mine is specifically laid out to achieve a near perfect semicircle formation of high speed shrapnel (ball bearings). These are routinely used by the US as an anti-infantry weapon, and have the capability to wipe out any number of troops simply in its blast radius – basically if you’re in the area and one goes, off, it’s gonna hurt.

Whatever capacity they have do do evil so do we all.

This fight has been going on so long I’m sure nobody knows what it was really about anymore.